Re: [tied] Vikings in Russia

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4664
Date: 2000-11-12

I've already read about this equivalence, but surely Vladimir was a Slavic name. Maybe Valdemarr > Vladimaru or Vladimoru, which was "absorbed" by SLav Vladimiru.
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From: Steve Woodson
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Vikings in Russia

 

João Simões Lopes Filho wrote:

  Thanks for the lesson, Piotr. I have a great interest in Personal Names evolutions.Do you know why GEORGIUS > Polish Jerzy, Czech Jir^i and Russian Yuri ?I think there was an intermediary *JORGIUS  or JORIUS. Joao SL
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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Vikings in Russia
 Joao, don't confuse Old Russian with Old Church Slavic, even if the latter's influence is an important superstrate in Modern Russian. Old Church Slavic derived from the Thessaloniki dialect of Old Bulgarian, and that's pretty far from Russia and the Vikings. Slavic *j- could be automatically inserted before front vowels, which means that *je- may correspond to earlier *e- or *je- (cf. Polish jest, OCS (j)estI 'is' < *esti). It can even derive from PIE *o- in some words, as *e- and *o- underwent a partial merger in Balto-Slavic (with dialectal complications). The reverse is also true: Russian o- often corresponds to Polish je- (e.g. R. olen' : P. jelen' 'red deer, stag' < *el(h)-en-, P. jezioro : R. ozero < *eg^Hero-). Scandinavian eligR > *elIgU > Russian oleg. The denasalisation in ingvarR took place as the word was adapted to fit East Slavic phonotactics; the replacement *a > *o is normal in Slavic. I don't think there are Old Russian equivalents of the other names. If Sergei is online, he might help; he knows far more about Old Russian than I do. Piotr  
----- Original Message ----- To: cybalist@egroups.comSent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:24 AMSubject: [tied] Vikings in Russia
 How was the evolution from Norse to Russian names like...HELIGR > OLEGYNGVARR > IGOR, YEGOR???What the Church Slavic intermediaries? HELIGR > *JELIGU > OLEG ? Norse H- > Slavic J- ? Are there ChSlavic forms forHARALDHERMANHAKON ? Joao SLRio
  Piotr and Joao,
            How about Waldemar and Vladimir?