Re: [tied] Vikings in Russia

João Simões Lopes Filho wrote:

  Thanks for the lesson, Piotr. I have a great interest in Personal Names evolutions.Do you know why GEORGIUS > Polish Jerzy, Czech Jir^i and Russian Yuri ?I think there was an intermediary *JORGIUS  or JORIUS. Joao SL

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From: Piotr Gasiorowski

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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 9:51 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] Vikings in Russia

 Joao, don't confuse Old Russian with Old Church Slavic, even if the latter's influence is an important superstrate in Modern Russian. Old Church Slavic derived from the Thessaloniki dialect of Old Bulgarian, and that's pretty far from Russia and the Vikings. Slavic *j- could be automatically inserted before front vowels, which means that *je- may correspond to earlier *e- or *je- (cf. Polish jest, OCS (j)estI 'is' < *esti). It can even derive from PIE *o- in some words, as *e- and *o- underwent a partial merger in Balto-Slavic (with dialectal complications). The reverse is also true: Russian o- often corresponds to Polish je- (e.g. R. olen' : P. jelen' 'red deer, stag' < *el(h)-en-, P. jezioro : R. ozero < *eg^Hero-). Scandinavian eligR > *elIgU > Russian oleg. The denasalisation in ingvarR took place as the word was adapted to fit East Slavic phonotactics; the replacement *a > *o is normal in Slavic. I don't think there are Old Russian equivalents of the other names. If Sergei is online, he might help; he knows far more about Old Russian than I do. Piotr  

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From: João Simões Lopes Filho

To: cybalist@egroups.comSent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 2:24 AMSubject: [tied] Vikings in Russia

 How was the evolution from Norse to Russian names like...HELIGR > OLEGYNGVARR > IGOR, YEGOR???What the Church Slavic intermediaries? HELIGR > *JELIGU > OLEG ? Norse H- > Slavic J- ? Are there ChSlavic forms forHARALDHERMANHAKON ? Joao SLRio

  Piotr and Joao,

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