>Hi Glen, thought you had given up the ghost following the emails
>about Lake Tunguskaya and the lack of connection between East and
>West Urals until Yamanaya and Andronova cultures coming from the west
>(over the Urals).
Yeah whatever. You made so many shameless mistakes in your latest post I'm
surprised you have the gull to speak at all! Please get the names of the
deities straight! It's NANNA the Moon God and not "Namma" nor "Nammu" and
GUGULANNA is the Bull of Heaven (the "shakti", if you will, of Ereshkigal)
not "Gugulana".
Nammu, for everyone's information, is the goddess of the abyss... TOTALLY
DIFFERENT from the Moon God who is named, once again, _NANNA_. And while
we're using the name Dumuzi, let it be known that this is in fact the
Akkadian name, the Sumerian name being Damu-zid, the "Perfect Child". John,
please stop your infantile games and eat some vitamins and get to know your
local librarian :P
>Sorry Glen, Dumuzi was the shepherd lord and fertility God, son of
>Enki (Lord Earth) and Situr, husband of Inanna and has no real
>assocation with the Sumerian Son God, Utu, son of Namma (Sumerian
>moon) and Ningal (The great Lady). Utu did recommend Dumuzi to
>Inanna as a possible husband and later aided Dumuzi in trying to
>escape the galla demons who came back with Inanna from the underword
>to take someone in her place.
So you just proved that there IS an association between the sun and Dumuzi
in the same paragraph!!? In fact, both Utu and Dumuzi are lovers of Inanna.
How much proof do you want?
>Inanna whilst associated with sex was not a mother. She was forever
>maiden, forever virgin (in the sense of not being owned by a man!),
>married each year in the reat Marriage Rite of the Hierosgamos, but
>never conceiving.
Right, tell that to the "Virgin" Mary. What about Cupid... Hmmm, who was
Cupid's mother, I wonder... Inanna of Sumer may not have been mother but
she's definitely a later form of the Creatrix.
>Sumerians never saw Inanna giving birth to anything. It was Ki
>(Earth), aka Ninhursag (Lady of the Mountain), aka Ninmah (Exalted
>Lady), aka Nintu (The "mother of all living" or "lady rib".
Yes, yes. Ki is _also_ a form of the Creatrix, commonly referred to as Earth
Mother. Again, we can imagine the Earth Mother giving birth to the sun as
well, instead of Venus. The way it originally would have worked was that the
triaspectual Goddess had various "sets" of symbols. The astral set comprised
of "Sun/Venus/Moon" while the color set was "red/black/white", the animal
set was basically "bird/mammal/reptile" and the realm set was
"sky/earth/waters". We can also consider a "geometric" set comprised of
written symbols such as crescents, triangles and spirals that also represent
the three aspects and are present on many iconic artifacts.
>Glen, you have the Sumerian cosmology back to front. The sun did not
>engender plant growth in Sumeria but ended it.
So be it, but the myths are certainly derived from the north, from Anatolia
and Europe where the sun DOES engender plant growth and where the sun is
more readily seen to have greatest power in spring and summer (aka the days
are longer).
>Sorry Glen, in Anatolia down to classical times the sun was viewed
>as female, never male. Wurusemu (the sun goddess of Arinna, [...]
Sorry John. Look up Hapantallis, the sun's shepherd (aka Dumuzi). We might
think of this Dumuzi character as a kind of "shakti" of the Creatrix.
Coincidentally there have been found figurines in Anatolia illustrating
male-female couples or even androgynes... Maybe that information will help
you understand better.
>So Glen we have Venus was never portrayed as a mother, but as
>consort, lover and maiden only. The Sun, portrayed as Male in
>Sumeria, but always Female in Anatolia, and the Moon, Nammu in
>Sumerian also as male in Anatolia too (Kashku). Three stikes and you
>are out!
Three _balls_ actually - looks like I'll be walking casually to first base.
Venus IS portrayed as mother (Virgin Mary, Cupid, Eros, etc). The Sun IS
portrayed in male form at least indirectly through Hapantallis. The Moon
even in male form is still portrayed as a wise god (Thoth), an old man
(Kashku). This is simply a male version of the Old Hag and so I'm not sure
how this is very relevant here.
>Hannahanna (Inanna's Hurrian predecessor) is mother to all the Gods.
>Inanna is mother to no-one.
Amazing how you can grill me on the fact that the sex of moon gods in Europe
are not the same as in Anatolia and the Fertile Crescent as some kind of
pretend proof against my hypothesis and yet you can then turn around and
state the above without any thought of irony on your part.
At any rate, I will agree that Hannahanna and Inanna are related, it's just
that they mainly represent two opposite aspects of the Goddess. Hannahanna
is clearly more like Hera-Juno (Old Hag Destructrix) while Inanna is
securely a young maiden Creatrix.
- gLeN
_________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at
http://www.hotmail.com
Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at
http://profiles.msn.com