Re: [tied] Re: The Birds - etymology found

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From: Piotr Gasiorowski

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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The Birds - etymology found

Yes, but also because the place-of-articulation difference between theta and phi, which of course existed in Greek, was not made in Church-Slavic-influenced Russian. It's a natural type of confusion, like the Cockney pronunciation of "nothing" as "nuffink". Neither consonant occurred in the Proto-Slavic system of phonemes, though in several Slavic dialects historical *xw- came to be realised as [f]. In the oldest layer of Latin borrowings into early Mediaeval Polish Latin [f] (spelt "f" or "ph") is quite consistently replaced with [p], e.g. Szczepan < Stephanus, Lucyper < Lucifer, Pabian < Fabianus. In Polish, [f] became an independent phoneme about the 13th century.

 

Piotr

 

 

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From: João Simões Lopes Filho

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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 3:51 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The Birds - etymology found

Russ. Fadiej : Pol. Tadeusz < Thaddeus,

Russ. Fiodor : Polish Teodor < Theodo:ros,

Russ. Fiby : Pol. Teby < The:bai

 

Joao wrote:

 

This is because Polish (Catholic) received its loans through Latin (Th pronnounced like T) and Russian (Orthodox) received them from Greek (Th pronnounced fricative)