Re: [tied] Re: IAPETOS x JAFETH

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4424
Date: 2000-10-17

One of the 100-armed giants, the Hekatogkheires, was named Gyas (gyant-) or Gyge:s. An alternation Gyas/Gyge:s (GUHA-/GUGA-) would match a name *GUGHA- or even the cited HUHA-, wouldn't it?
The other Hekatogkheires are named
Joao SL
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From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: IAPETOS x JAFETH

... and note that Greek Gyge:s surely corresponds to an original form like Guga:. But John, Gyges the Invisible Man was king of Lydia, not of Phrygia, as Joao correctly says. If Guga- is genuinely a Lydian word, I wonder if it isn't related to Hittite huha- 'grandfather' (in Greek gugai is a synonym of pappoi 'grandfathers, ancestors -- a nursery word or an Anatolian loan?). Opinion welcome.
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From: John Croft
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 8:51 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: IAPETOS x JAFETH

João wrote:
> > Magog is often seen as the Massagetae (Eastern Saka), although
> I wonder if better references are to be found.>
> Someone link Magog (and Gog) with Gyges, king of Lydia.

Gyges would work.  I wonder since Gyges was king of the Phrygians if
the struggle between Gog and Magog regers to the war between Phrygian
and Scythians during the Assyrian Empire.  The sudden appearance of
the Scythians in the Middle East was seen in the same way that Attila
was viewed in Europe - as a scourge of god.  The Scythians got as far
as Scythopolis (in the TransJordan) so there is a way in which these
stories entered into the developing Biblical Corpus.

> Perhaps IAPETOS can be seen related to EA? Hittites adopted  EA as
> The Greek-Argive Genealogy of Inakhos offspring have some
similarities with
> Noah children.
> Io was ancestor of Egyptians, Lybians, Phoenicians, Cretans,
Cilicians and
> Arabians.

If Ea becomes *Ia-petos, then this God entered into Canaanite and
later Jewish traditions twice.  He appears in the theophoric element
*-yah in names like Jeremiah as well.  The Ebla excavation shows that
he replaced El there as the most popular divinity for a while.

The secret name YHWH seems thus to be a combination of YH (Yah = Ea),
with HWH (Hawah = Eve, the mother of all living).  Given that Yah was
often portrayed as a serpent it makes one wonder what the original
story of the Apple, Serpent and Eve in the Garden of Eden was really
all about.