Re: [tied] Artemis and the Bear (long)

I'd like to know more about this PIE *tasku- for badger. I know OHG dahs (> Latin taxus > taxucus (suffixed) > Portuguese texugo). What's the Celtic evidence? I think it's possible to link it with Grk TROKHOS (< TOKHROS < TOKS-ROS ?)

Joao SL

Rio

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From: Piotr Gasiorowski

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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal

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*-wa: and *-twa: are rather common suffixes, resulting at least partly from the a:-thematicisation of feminines in *-(t)u-. I'm not sure how irs^tva should be cut up, but I think it might be related to Polish warstwa 'layer' < *vUrstva; both nouns are derivable from *rk^t-u- or *rk^t-tu- > *rk^stu-.

I wonder if the Kartvelian word might not be connected with PIE *tasku- 'badger', reconstructed mainly on Germanic and Celtic evidence, but possibly attested in Anatolian as well.

Piotr

I wrote: >And don't forget Hittite hartaggas/hartkas. The protoform is actually >*xrtkos with a nil-grade initial syllable, visible in the Latin and >Sanskrit forms. Another likely cognate is Lithuanian irs^tva 'bear's lair'.

Miguel wrote:

Interesting. What's the origin of the /-va/: a suffix? I ask because a /w/ also appears in the Kartvelian borrowing (Alexis Manaster-Ramer, p.c.) *das^tw- "bear", which could well be from IE *r.k^t-os (just like we have *ok^th3- "8" --> PK *os^txw- "4"). On the other periphery of IE, Basque borrowed <hartz> "bear" from Celtic *artos.