Basques words for GOD, SUN, MOON and SKY/HEAVEN

Since you're a specialist in Basque, what are the words in Proto-Basque for
GOD, SUN, MOON and SKY/HEAVEN.
Id' like to verify if it's possible to link Proto-Basque with the
Pre-Hellenic people...
Joao SL
Rio de Janeiro

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] First iron swords on mass scale


> On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Piotr wrote:
>
> >Germanic *i:sa(r)na- (Eisen, iron), most likely borrowed from Celtic
(*eisarno-),
> >may be a derivative of *isxro- 'strong, powerful' rather than of *xajes-.
>
> Another possibility is that it's from Basque izar /isar/ "star" (the
> connection would be meteoric iron), with the IE/Celt. suffix -no-.
> Note taht the Basque for "iron" is <burdina> (no connection).
>
> >Greek has si:de:ros/-on is no doubt a loanword, perhaps somehow related
to Latin
> >si:dus, -eris 'constellation, star(s)' (magnetite = star-stone??).
>
> Latin <si:dus, si:deris> is from *sweides-, and I doubt Greek borrowed
> it from post-rhotacism Latin. Again the Basque connection is
> interesting: Basque <zilar>, <zirar>, <zidar> "silver" are derived by
> Michelena from Pre-Basque *zirar, but I think that in fact Bizkaian
> <zidar> /sidar/ is the most archaic form. There are a number of such
> words, e.g. <belar ~ berar ~ bedar> "grass", <belarri ~ berarri ~
> bedarri> "ear", <elur ~ erur ~ edur> "snow", where the normal
> development *-d- > -r- either failed to take place (Bizkaian) or where
> -r- was dissimilated to -l- (Central dialects) before final -r.
>
> >Baltic and Slavic have related terms: Lithuanian gel(e)z^is, OPrussian
gelso,
> >Slavic z^elEzo < B-Sl *gele(:)Zo-. I'm not sure how to analyse them
(*gWelh-eg-??).
>
> C.D. Buck suggests a connection with the root *g^hel- "yellow; gold"
> (Slavic *zol-to > zla:to ~ zoloto "gold"). Maybe a borrowing from a
> centum word akin to Greek khalkos "copper".
>
> >Latin ferrum is sometimes connected with the verb root *dHers- 'dare, be
bold,
> >violate' (English dare, durst, Sanskrit dharSa-).
>
> Sometimes it's connected to Semitic Akk. parzillu, Arabic farzil
> "iron", which seems dubious. The Semitic word may itself be of
> Sumerian origin (although no Sum. *bar.sil(u) is attested). Note that
> if we turn *bar.sil(u) around we get *sil(u).bar, just like reversing
> Sum./Akk. anna.ku "tin" gives us ku.anna (Hitt. kuwanna "copper").
>
> Other interesting metallurgical connections: Sumerian <urudu> "copper"
> from PIE *h1reudh- "red; copper"? Basque <berun> "lead" < *belum-,
> cf. Lat. <plumbum>, Greek <molubdos>, <bolibos>, etc., possibly
> connected to pre-/para-Celtic *plowdo-, Celtic *laudo- > Gmc. (Eng.)
> "lead" and/or Celtic *bli:wo > Gmc. (Germ.) "Blei" by way of an
> Iberian language lacking /p/ and /w/ (plowdo- > belubdo ~ belumbo ;
> bli:wo- > bolibo).
>
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