I (gLeNny) said:
>Sorry Arkey dude, the Ugaritic myths go back to at least 1400 BCE.
>The myths include Athtar, Venus, son of Ashera (aka Astarte). The >Battle
>of Mot provides a link between Athtar and Baal. This is already >at the
>very start of any Hellenic period.
Arkugal:
>Glen Gordon, what are you talking about? What I said was that MARS had >no
>connection neither with the Underworld nor with VENUS. I was >speaking
>about the Latin Deities.
I'm sorry??! Do you have books where you live? Look at one, please! You must
have at least an encyclopaedia at home, no?
If we speak solely of Roman myth then, I still don't understand your claim.
In Roman myth, Vulcan is the god of FIRE, metalworking and skilled
craftwork. Vulcan liked to produce ARMOR and WEAPONS (aka WAR tools). Vulcan
married VENUS. Of course, Vulcan is based on Hephaestos (Greek god) but this
is still part of Roman myth nonetheless. Hephaestos was linked to VULCANOES.
What's inside vulcanoes? Lava, otherwise known as FIRE. Where does this
firey lava reside? Under the earth (aka UNDERWORLD).
Who do you think Vulcan-Hephaestos represents? Gee, well we have a direct
connections with VENUS, FIRE, WAR and the UNDERWORLD. Who could that
possibly be, I wonder? Could it be the god *PexwrGnnos, Fire-Born? Neah,
that's just too simple an idea to grasp at all, isn't it? It has to be
something more complex and obscure in order for Arkugal to respect this as a
valid point of view. There is no dispute here. You've lost this arguement.
Second, Venus truely DID have an extramarital love affair with _Mars_, so I
REALLY do not know what you're babbling about but it's very misinformed at
any rate. What I've mentioned is all Roman myth. So, what Latin deities are
_you_ refering to??
Arkugal:
>Now, you insist on arguing that in Semitic tradition this and that, >etc.,
>but that is, literally, beside the point. You assume that the IE
> >mythologies are determinated by the Semitic ones and that's final. >Well,
>all your statments are good indications that the Semitic >influence is far
>less important than some people say. Because, in >fact, MARS and VENUS are
>two IE Latin Deities, and ASTARTE, and BAAL, >etc., are Semitic. That's
>all.
You are clearly dillusional if you honestly believe that the Latin deities
are pure, native creations. They certainly derive from a proto-IE set of
myths because of the similarities amongst other beliefs of IE speaking
peoples.
However, there are still a million and one connections between the so-called
proto-IE myths, which must by definition go back to around 4000 BCE or so,
and the myths of the MiddleEast even though names of these deities will
differ. The so-called IE *Tritos myth is clearly related to the story of
Marduk and Tiamat (aka Baal and Yam) across the ancient MiddleEast. The
association of a bull to the sky god as we find in IE myth is another
MiddleEastern concept and is not originally IE. And yet, for there to have
been a connection between IE and MiddleEastern belief, this connection would
have to have been pre-historic.
I can bring up many direct IE-MiddleEastern connections, if you like. There
are certainly far too many clear connections in fact to support your insane
viewpoint unless you enjoy being argumentative.
- gLeN
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