Re: Some Ideas for Nostratic Mythology... 1) The Fall of the Great

From: John Croft
Message: 3746
Date: 2000-09-16

Joao you wrote

> 1) THEME ONE: THE FALL OF THE GREAT GODDESS
>
> Abstract: A couple of gods live in harmony. The Goddess died while
giving birth to some angry deity. The Goddess went to Underworld. The
God wants to rescue her, and go after her. The God doesn't get to
rescue her, because The Great Heavenly Goddess became some kind of
Underworld she-Demon.
>
> Sources:
> Orpheus and Eurydike (Greece)
> Demeter and Persephone (Greece) note: changed from "God rescuing
Goddess" to "Mother rescuing Daughter"
> Adam and Lilith (Israel) note: Lilith was expelled from Eden.
Angels tried to take her back, but she became a demoness.
> Loth and his wife (Israel) note: My idea is that Sodomah was a
version of the Hell. Loth try to save his wife from "Hell", but she
was turned into a salt statue.
> Izanagi and Izanami (Japan)
> Osiris and Isis (Egypt) note: changed from "God rescuing Goddess"
to "Goddess rescuing God"
> Lemminkainen and his mother (Finland) note: changed from "God
rescuing Goddess" to "Mother rescuing son"

You could add Inanna's descent to Ereshkigal and her rescue by Enki.

I think though you are in danger of doing what Glen always accuses me
of doing. Religious or mythological elements vary independently of
linguistic ones. Cult symbols can easily travel acriss linguistic
boundaries. Look at the spread of the Peyote cult or Ghost Dance
throughout native North America for instance. To find elements like
this repeated in many cultures is not to say they originated in
Nostratic. It could really be an origin much later and the spread
throughout a large region via religious missionaries, traders,
travelling shaman, wandering storytellers and entertainers of all
kinds. Just look at the way that the story of Peredur, became
Parzival in the Middle Ages for intance, from Welsh to Breton, to
French, to German and even in Italian and English. Not an ancient IE
myth here folks, just the spread of a popular story.

Regards

John