Re: [tied] Medusa = Hel ?

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 3705
Date: 2000-09-14

>Scandinavia:
>Loki begot three devilish children: Jormungandr, Fenrir and Hel. Let's
> >include Sleipnir.

Why include Sleipnir??

>1- The Father, an enemy of gods (dynastic trouble?)
>Norse: LOKI
>Greek: TYPHON, Kronos?, Khrysaor?
>India: TVASHTR (usually the Divine Craftsman, but sometimes described >as
>the father of Vrtra, Trishiras and Saranyu; and as enemy of Indra)

Isn't this just *XegWnis? Doesn't Agni shy away from everyone too and
doesn't cooperate with sacrifices?

>2- Son #1 The Great Sweller; Great Wolf
>Norse: FENRIR
>Greek: KERBEROS or ORTHROS
>India: MADA?

Hmm, I have Kerberos equated with /sabala/ "Spotted", the epitaph of the dog
of Indic Yama, according to Mallory.

>3- Son#2 The Great Serpent (not necessarily the River-Serpent around the
>world: Okeanos, Sesha and the same Joermungand)
>Norse: JOERMUNGANDR
>Greek: HYDRA or EKHIDNA (with elements of TYPHON)
>India: VRTRA

But what seperates this deity from *Da:nu "primordial waters"?

>4-Son#3 A Devilish Goddess, linked to death (Nightmare Goddess?
>Mare->Woman?); mother of Heavenly Twins.
>Norse: HEL (not linked to twins)
>Greek: MEDOUSA (mother of Khrysaor; grandmother of Ekhidna)
>India: SARANYU (mare-goddess, mother of Divine Twins Nasatya)

This doesn't sound right. Aren't the Divine Twins born of the Sun Maiden
whose symbol is a horse? (As opposed to the Moon whose symbol is a hungry
wolf chasing after the horse.)

>5- SOn#4 A Heavenly Horse (Perhaps a son of Hel?)
>Norse: SLEIPNIR
>Greek: PEGASOS
>India: -

How about Greek Arachne instead? I think that this is the weaver goddess,
*Xreghnis "Spider". Sleipnir has eight legs, n'est-ce pas? Just like a
spider!

>6- Son#5? Tri-Headed Entity
>Norse: - (Hrungnir, the three-edge-hearted giant?but he's not son of
>Loki...) (Vafthrudnir, the six-headed wise giant?) Note: Odinn became king
>of Aesir after defeating Vafthrudnir, a gian incarnating Wisdom; Zeus
>became king of Olympos after devouring Metis, a nymph whose name means
>"Wisdom or Intelligence".
>Greek: GERYON (son of Khrysaor)
>India: Trishiras

Yes, Three-Heads is representative of the three castes: priest, warrior and
commoner. This must surely exist.

>My idea: The Gods (Aesir-Devas) fought the Giants (Thursir-Asuras). >The
>Gods are the children of *DYEW- P@...; and the Giant are the >children
>of...? (Bastards of Dyew?)

Of *Nepo:t, silly!

>Loki-Tvashtr-Typhon was the leader of Giants, and was defeated by
> >Thunder-God, the leader of Gods.

Erh, no I think *Nepo:t was the leader. It's a battle between Overworld and
Underworld with *XegWnis (Middleworld) as instigator.

>The Great Serpente was killed by Thunder.

This in particular shows an Overworld-Underworld battle going on where
Thunder is Overworld and the Serpent is Underworld, no?

>The Wind-God (Vayu-Thorr-Poseidaon) run after The Nightmare Goddess as >a
>stallion and begets the Twins.

Your "Nightmare Goddess" has to be the Sun Maiden.

>The Three-Headed was killed by Thunder, with *Tritos's help.

I thought it was with the help of the Underworld (aka Warrior realm). Then
again... how was the monster killed. Was it magic? Or a battle? Must look
into this more.

>The Great Sweller bite the hand of Jurist-God (Tyr-Mitra-Nuada->Scaevola),
>but was defeated.

Erh, you mean that *Wa:tnos was bitten by *Kerberos?

- gLeN


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