From: Steve Woodson
Message: 3672
Date: 2000-09-14
>I was wondering if there might be some connection between Lug and the
> --- In cybalist@egroups.com, João Simões Lopes Filho
> <jodan99@...>
> wrote:
> > The analogy between Lugh and Wodan is pointed by many authors,
> although Lug
> > could be etymologically linked to Loki.
> > Lugh and Wodan were gods, sons of giantesses (or giant's
> daughters), who
> > defeated their grandfather. They had all crafts, a magical spear.
> Maybe
> > Lugh-Wodan was some kind of Pre-IE god of Northwestern Europe.
>
> Well, for a start, Dumézil considered that the major IE Deity was
> perhaps the Terrible Sovereign:
> India - VARUNA
> Greece - ZEUS
> Rome - JUPITER
> Germanic world - ODIN/WODAN
> And it is well known that LUG became the king of the TUATHA DE
> DANNAN, in Ireland, while, in Gaul, He is probably the One which
> Caesar, in his De Bello Gallico, named MERCURY, as being the most
> venerated Deity amongst the Celtic folks.
> I believe that, in western Europe, this IE type of Divinity can be
> defined as a God of Wisdom, Battle, War-Magic, using the Spear, being
> one-eyed - in a warlike magic act, during the second Battle of
> Moytura, LUG closes one of his eyes: the one-eyed entity is always
> terrible, as Dumézil points out, when he compares the Germanic God
> ODIN with the Germanic hero Egill Skalagrimson with the Roman hero
> Horatius Cocles.
> I also have read that LUG was associated with the Raven: according a
> significant legend, when the Galo-Roman city of Lugdunum was founded,
> two ravens passed in the sky. It is well known that one of the
> symbols of ODIN is the Raven. The Raven seems to be, within the
> western IE traditions, a symbol of knowledge, or guidance, which is
> quite similar, actually:
> - in Greece, it is consecrated to APOLLO: according a myth, a raven
> informed Him about a specific subject;
> - in Scandinavia, the two ravens Hugin and Munnin - Thought and
> Memory, quite relevant - inform ODIN about everything that happens
> around the world;
> - in Ireland, and maybe in Gaul, why not, LUG, maybe associated with
> the Raven, is a Deity of Knowledge. The Gaulish invaders of Rome, in
> 390 b.c.e., claimed to be ruled be Brennus. This could be a legendary
> king, yes, or maybe the name of a specific clan, or, who knows, a
> symbolic reference to a God of guidance, since this word
> «Brennus»
> could mean «Raven».
>
> On the other hand, ODIN is quite similar to the Irish OGMA: both are
> magic warriors, terrible entities, inventors of magic letters, the
> Runes and the Oghams, respectively. Both are represented as old men
> with the gift of eloquency.
>
> Based on such relations between some Gods, I think that in the area
> which is today southern Portugal, there is a Deity that could be the
> Lusitanian equivalent to ODIN, LUG and OGMA: that Deity is RUNESUS
> CESIUS.
> RUN - related with the Irish word «run», meaning
> «mistery»;
> ESUS - related with the Gaulish ESUS, who could be a celtic
> continental equivalent to ODIN, since, according Lucan, this Divinity
> received human sacrifices by hanging, just like ODIN, the
> HANGAGUD «God of the Hanged».
> CESIUS - the Portuguese investigator Leite de Vasconcelos considered
> that CESIUS could be a latinization of the Celtic «Gaesa»,
> «dart»,
> and a dart is like a spear.
>
> > > What do you have to say regarding ENDOVELICO?