Re: [tied] Religion; (Does anybody knows the etymology of Norse Mus

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From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Religion; (Does anybody knows the etymology of Norse
Muspell-(heim)?)



> >I know this colour symbolism white-red-dark color (blue/green/black) x
> >priest-warrior-peasant. But how can we know if any god's color came >from
> >PIE base?
>
> Erh, how do you mean? Did you mean: "How can we be sure that the colour
> symbolism is of IE origin?" I've already given another email with
Mallory's
> quote concerning the IE evidence that should help with this question.

What I mean to say is that another non-IE people could have another
color-symbolisms. So, for example, if Athena's dress is white doesn't means
necessarily that it is due WHite-Priest- IE association.

>
> >I didn't say Apocalyptical Fire came from Underworld! In India , The
>Fire
> >will came from Submarine Horse-headed Fire, or from Horse-Headed >Giant
> >Avatar of Vishnu.
>
> Hmm, the question is what how this horse-headed figure fits with
everything.
> In Old European mythos, the horse would be a Middleworld representation of
> the Goddess but maybe I've missed the mark.
>
> >Surtur came from South. I believe PIE people believed in a distant
> > >Southern Land of Fire. Cf. Muspellsheim (Does anybody knows the
> > >etymology of Muspell-?)
>
> What is the evidence concerning this southern land of fire outside
Germanic
> mythology?

Uh, I'm still looking for my old notes about this. I can't remember the
bases for my thoughts. I will return to this subject in the future...

>
>
> So now, in regards to this second component... Trishiras is that
> three-headed serpent who represents the three social functions for each
> head, killed off by the human hero *Tritos (Trita Aptya) with the help of
> *Pexwrgnnos (Indra). Serpents are an Old European symbol equated with
> destruction and the watery underworld.
>
> Vrtra.... Ah, here we are. Wait a minute, this is the story of Tiamat!
It's
> that damn serpent again (aka Mother Goddess as
Destroyer/Waters/Underworld)
> who is slain to create the world from her innards and skin (sky). You can
> strike this god from the IE mythos. The IE equivalent of Vrtra is already
> explainable as Da:nu, the primordial waters. This is also a god linked to
> _water_, not fire.
>
> These "offspring" smell of rehashed myths and appear to be secondary. Hmm,
> one website says that Tvashtr is identical to Brahma, the Creator. If so,
> this combined with the begetting of *Da:nu (of all the deities!) seems to
> suggest to me that this has nothing to do with "fire" at all but rather
that
> Tvashtr is a later figure put in the role of creator of the basic gods
found
> in the original IE Creation myth, begetting Saranyu (aka Sun Maiden) as
> well!

I will explain my points of view in a different e-mail. Please wait...

> Likely story. Sounds like there is still ONE fire god: *XegWnis "Little
> Fire".
>
> Joao:
> >Maybe the Proto-Sumerian mythology was akin to Dravidian Mythology.
>
> Actually, I'm starting to accept that there could have been influence
> between Sumerian and Indic mythology. Just seeing the spread of the Bird
> Creation myths (Old European Creator Goddess) shows that mythology can
> spread like wildfire in a relatively short period of time.
>
> - gLeN
>
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