Re: [tied] Dumezil, Trito and Athena: mystery solved the gLeN way

Yes, Glen, I like this very much. What were you drinking?
I think though that Jasanoff and Nussbaum's criticism regarding the
juxtaposition of t-n in Ht Nt could be applied with more justification to
your proposal.
But, starting from an original Xedhnos, and adding a liberal measure of
Egyptian Neit, perhaps we can arrive at the cocktail that is the Greek
Atha:naia, phonetically and in all her many aspects.

Cheers
Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 19 August, 2000 9:47 AM
Subject: [tied] Dumezil, Trito and Athena: mystery solved the gLeN way


>
> While others do their battles, Loki lurks in the darkness waiting for the
> perfect moment to pounce:
>
> >Is it so very far Piotr? Final t's were dropped both in Greek and in
>Late
> >(New Kingdom) Egyptian. A prothetic vowel or contamination from >the
> >obviously related Semitic Anat could provide an explanation of the
>initial
> >a. So we have a possible ath-a-nei-.
>
> Erh, I think none of these hypotheses so far are likely to be so.
Therefore,
> in the cloud of confusion, I shall put forth my own silly thoughts which I
> just devised last night after drinking a couple of shooters and passing
out.
> I'll keep it brief.
>
> Tripartition needs a change
> ---------------------------
>
> First, let's reorganize Dumezil's funny-looking tripartition triangle
thingy
> into a prettier "tree"-like diagram, shall we?
>
> CASTE REALM/ELEMENT
> OVERWORLD priest sky
>
> MIDDLEWORLD commoner earth
>
> UNDERWORLD warrior water
>
>
> Okay, everybody get it so far? We have a first layer of "elements" with a
> second layer superimposed, suggesting some sort of post-mesolithic social
> organisation. Let's further this diagram by pretending that these above
> items are in fact "deified" into IE personifications. We can go nuts with
> this one!...
>
>
> OVERWORLD Xedhnos Dye:u-Pxte:r
>
> MIDDLEWORLD XWeryo-Manus Yemos
>
> UNDERWORLD Pexwr-Genos Da:nu-Nepo:t
>
>
> Everybody happy-happy now? Everything is explained! :)
>
> This way we can plainly see that *Dye:us is Jupiter-Thor-Tiw-Dyaus "the
> sky"; *Yemos is Ymir-Yama "the earth" and *Nepo:t is Nechtain-Neptune-Apam
> "the sea". These are the elements/realms of IE world-view. There is a
reason
> why *Yemos is also the "god of the dead". The dead, when buried, can be
said
> to be "given to *Yemos".
>
> As for THE CASTES, we first see my new and precious reconstruction
*Xedhnos
> portrayed by Athena-Odin who are both conveniently "wise warriors" who
make
> eight-legged creatures subservient to them(Arachne/Seipnir). How does
> everybody feel about the sound correspondances? You like? *Xedhnos' wisdom
> makes him a fine candidate as a god of the priest caste.
>
> *Pexwr-Genos "Fire-Born" is the Thunder god represented by
> Ares-Vulcan-Parjanya-Fjo"rgyn. An association between "thunder/storm" and
> "the sea" now makes more sense, n'est-ce pas? It also makes sense why he
> should get involved with Venus, I think. He represents the warrior caste.
He
> might be born of fire in the sense that thunder is born of lightning,
since
> the sound follows the flash.
>
> Finally, *XWeryo-Manus "Highmost Man" is the first human being. He slayed
> his brother *Yemos to create the earth. He is represented by
> Ariomanus-Aryaman-Airem. It is _him_ who is the originator of mankind, not
> *Yemos who definitely gets sliced and diced. He is also a god of the
> commoner caste (Roman Quirinus?).
>
>
> War of the Functions
> --------------------
>
> Not convinced yet? Well, the War of the Functions (aka the Apocalypse)
makes
> waaaay more sense now. Instead of two functions fighting against poor
> defenseless commoners. We have all three!
>
> "Huh?" you say? Well, has anybody ever noticed how Loki starts the ball
> rolling here? But who is Loki? He should be appropriately renamed Little
> Fire (*HegWnis) as in Indic Agni. There are few places where a pyromaniac
> can get his jollies. He can't do it in the air and he can't do it in the
> water. Fire only really exists in the Middleworld (well, except for the
sun,
> but ignore that). Therefore, Little Fire represents the earth who "fires
up"
> the sky and the waters to join him in his war against humankind.
>
> Hence, all three elements are battling against us... and isn't that what
> human perseverence is all about in the end?
>
>
> Trito
> -----
>
> Oh, and I almost forgot my promise, Joao. According to Mallory, *Trito is
a
> herder who lost his cattle to a three-headed monster (possibly a serpent).
> He then regained his cattle with the help of the god of war. *Trito is
> represented through Vedic "Trita Aptya", Avestan "Thraetaona Athwya",
Greek
> "Heracles", Norse "Hymir" and Hittite "Hupasiya". I suspect that the name
> itself might not be properly reconstructed in IE, but I digress.
>
> - gLeN
>
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