Re: [tied] Ragnarok, Doomsday and Zaratthustra

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From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Ragnarok, Doomsday and Zaratthustra


>
>
> >Cain x Abel as Horse Twins? Maybe. I think most plausible their >conexion
> >with Osiris x Seth. (Curious: If we take a look at Genesis, >we will see
> >that Cain's lineage and Seth's lineage are so similar...my >idea is that
> >Seth (Adam's son) and Cain were the same person. It'd be >so constraining
> >to humans see theirselves as descendants of a murderer >- so, Seth
linneage
> >was inserted to be our ancestors. (That's just my >opinion...I could be
> >wrong)
>
> I could swear I've heard this idea somewhere before. Interesting, though.
It
> makes sense. I remember sitting through Bible readings thinking about this
> Cain dilemma.

For example, Enokh appears in both lists, the Cainites and the Sethites.


>
> >I think IE influence on Bible is remarkable in Book of Judges. Compare
> > >Joshua deeds with Varuna (Terrible Sovereign): He stopped the Sun and
> > >Moon (Cosmical Laws); he overthrew Jericoh walls (Victory without
> > >physical battle)...Compare Samson with Thunder-God...etc
>
> Wow! I can see I can learn something here. :) I'm a child in a candy
store -
> keep it comin'. Unfortunately I'm not yet familiar with Varuna but I'll
> figure it all out eventually. What was Varuna's non-physical battle about?

The Terrible Sovereign fights withouth physical struggle, by blinding and
paralysing his foes.
For Varuna I can't remember now, but Odinn blinded his foes; Jupiter Stator
paralyzed Roman fiends.

> Now, this Samson-Thunder connection... what's with the hair? Come to think
> of it, I wouldn't be surprised if this haircutting thing has a deeper,
more
> pagan meaning (just as with the Tree of Knowledge). Is there a parallel IE
> myth of seduction of *Dye:us or *PerkWnos here?

I'm not saying that Samson is only a "Hebraic" IE Thunderer. There are many
Greek myths similar to this (king protected by magical hair; betrayed by a
daughter), and there are Irish parallels too. There's a great complexity...

> Wait, didn't somebody gloss something about a connection between "hair"
and
> "(water) waves" before? Something to do with water sprites?? Who on this
> list mentioned this? Speak to me. This is getting juicy. Maybe this is
more
> of a Samson-*Nepo:t connection instead, or am I getting led down the wrong
> path? Anybody know some good sprite stories?
Is there any relation between Samson and the waters? I think no. There's a
lot of elements: donkey's jaw; foxes; honey-lion; magical hair, blindness,
etc.


Joao SL
Rio