Re: kinship systems

In reply to my point

> John:
> >Personally I see it was the Nostratic language spoken by the

Zarzian

> >culture (circa 12,000 - 8,500 BCE),
>
> 8500 BCE is far too late to be a serious proposal. 12000 BCE is

cutting it

> very short.

If you have it any earlier than 12000 BCE Glen, then they cannot have
been a mesolithic culture. We are back into the big game hunter
world
of the late Ice Age, with no "broad spectrum" hunter-gatherers
anywhere except in Africa, Australia and South East Asia.

I wrote

> >Culturally it seems that Altaics moved one way, whilst Uralics and
> > >Indo-Tyrrhenians moved another, and Elamo-Dravidians moved in a
>third.

Glen replied

> Of course, anything you say John. Altaic in no way has parallels to

Uralic,

> right? They just happen to have strong grammatical correspondances

because

> of the alien abductions? It's always the alien abductions. Why

won't
the

> aliens leave us poor defenseless non-matriarchal humans alone, huh?

Altaic does have many but distant similarities to Altaic. That is
because.

1. They probably derived from speakers of a common language some
12,000 years ago (possibly early Zarzian).
2. They moved via different routes into a steppe and forest
environment where they were close neighbours for many thousands of
years (with much tooing and froing between the two).

Glen, save your alien abductions for getting Semitish to be
neighbours
of the PIE at the dates you suggest.

Are you reading what I am saying or are you inventing "straw men" to
beat up on?

Reagrds

John