Re: [cybalist] Re: Tyrrhenus (was Easter)

Marcus

There has been a fair amount of (I admit) speculation on my part about this
under the heading of "Pelasgians" in this group. For what it's worth, here
is a summary (with a few new additions) :

Starting from : TO-ROS-
1. TO - land or people, cf. IE *dhgho-, or *tout-, or even Egyptian t3
2. ROS - ethnic name

From TO-ROS, one derivation takes you to TROIES, from which TROIA (Troy) is
derived
Adding the adjectival ending -EN, together with vowel shortening/syncope in
unstressed syllables, takes you to TURSEN-, Herodotos' word for the people
Omitting the TO- takes you to *ROS-EN-, RASENNA

The Greek treatment of /-RS-/, takes you to TURRHEN-, transported to Italy
where it was used to describe the Etruscans, the area and the sea they
dominated.

Using the adjectival ending /-IKOS/ on the root of TOROS-, one gets
*T(O)ROSIKOS, which with syncope of the /I/ and the addition of a prothetic
/E/ (possibly by way of Phoenician influence), takes you to ETRUSCUS

The addition of /-IA/ to the root /ETRUS-/, *ETRUSIA, with Latin
rhotacisation gives ETRURIA

The heavy early Latin stress on the initial syllable could be responsible
for a form *ETRSKOS by syncope of the /U/ and with a syllabic /R/, realised
as *ETURSKOS. The initial /E/ no longer being required since the word no
longer begins with two consonants, and assimilation of the /R/ to the
following /S/, we get TUSCUS, with TUSCIA and TUSCANUS/TOSCANO etc. being
derivatives.

So, yes, I believe they are all derived from the same source, the earliest
attestation of which is the form TRS, from Egyptian descriptions of the Sea
Peoples.

Cheers
Dennis

----- Original Message -----
From: M G <fresco@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 26 April, 2000 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [cybalist] Re: Tyrrhenus (was Easter)


> Marcus Prometheus:
>
> Very interesting posts for me as I am from Tuscany.
>
> Could plase somebody give a digest
> of etymons (and eventual links among them)
> of all the names of Tuscany or Tuscanians ?
> Also, at present which is considered the nearest affiliation
> of language (or family) ?
>
>
> Rasenna ( Etruscan, for the people)
> TursEno-/ Tursenoi (Erodot's greek, for the people)
> TurREno-/ (greek variant, for the
people)
> Tyrrhen-/ Tyrrhenus (Latin) - Tirreni Tirreno (Italian, for the sea)
> Etruria (latin, for the country) - Etruschi (italian, for the people)
> Tuscia (middle ages Latin & early Italian, for the country )
> Toscana (Italian, for the country)
>
> They look all linked except Rasenna !
>
>
> Thanks in advance
> Marcus Prometheus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dennis Poulter <dpoulter@...>
> To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
> Sent: mercoledì, 26 aprile, 2000 7.55
> Subject: Re: [cybalist] Re: Easter
>
>
> Thanks Piotr for your post. I've checked on this some more, and this is
what
> I've found.
> /rs/ can either be maintained, or develop into /rr/ (Attic, Lesbian) or
> /lengthened vowel + r/.
> Leonard Palmer, in The Greek Language, states : "According to the
> grammarians, initial /r/ was aspirated, as was the second /r/ in the
medial
> cluster /-rr-/..."
> This would provide the /h/ of the Latin "Tyrrhenus", which is otherwise
> unexplainable.
> So, I was wrong to attribute the /h/ of Tyrrhenus to Greek /s > h/, but it
> still seems to be a Greek phenomenon rather than Latin.
> So, while Herodotos used /tursEno-/ exclusively, the Latin form would be
> borrowed from a dialect variant /turREno-/ (R=aspirated /r/).
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
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