Re: human/chimp oral differences

From: Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Message: 1664
Date: 2000-02-23

Hi Glen,
Your comments listed below are WOW and :P


[glen writes]
What is the above all about? Association of animalistic behaviour to
testosterone (and subsequently to males) is perhaps tempting in our
contemporary female-dominated world where male-bashing is socially
acceptable, but this is quite false.

Gerry: Please explain?

Glen: In fact, the issue you raise here is tangled in a mess of recent
masculophobia, the issue of roid-rage, associations with The Prohibition
and gangsters, and the power of the media to manipulate the public into
irrational mass action. Deep stuff, Gerry :)

Gerry: Why is overabundance of testosterone considered "roid-rage meant
to manipulate the public"? Isn't it chemically biological? Are you
implying that it has Nazi overtones?

Glen: As for the sexuality "template", I view it as originally
_assexual_ meaning that no sex is ascribed to it until later if at all.
This doesn't mean that all people start out bisexual but rather that
they start out asexual, both in terms of sexuality and in terms of sex.
The gender of a baby is obviously determined by the amount of
testosterone at key times during pregnancy. It's possible for a baby to
be XX (female) but look completely male when it pops out simply because
of the wrong levels of testosterone present in the womb.

Gerry: I like your asexual template. But here you are back on
testosterone again? I really haven't communicated much with you so
guess I should ask whether you are stating both sides of the argument
for argument's sake?

Let me ask a few questions:
1) does a high level of testosterone cause aggressive behavior?
2) do all infants begin as XX entities?
3) is the Y put in place by testosterone levels in ??both male and
female? Or only the male?


Glen: Now does that mean the baby is "animalistic"? Perhaps we should
leave these prejudicial attitudes buried with Hitler (<- or is he
cremated... or maybe he's living in Texas right now?) :P

Gerry: And here it's Hitler again. But how do we talk about "social
Darwinism" and "group selection" without invoking the concept of "Nazi".
We can refuse to acknowledge the issues, I guess. I'd be most pleased
to hear your ideas.

Gerry
- gLeN


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