Re: The Welsh are from Venus, not Venice

At 10:59 2000-01-27 +0100, you wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Gwinn
>To: cybalist@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 2:30 AM
>Subject: [cybalist] Re: The Wends and the Venedi
> Chris writes:

Chris writes:

Breton Gwened may come from Ueneti, but Welsh Gwynedd must come from
*Uened-o(-t-a) or *Ueneii-o(-t-a) and not from Ueneti (-dd- is only
produced by Common Celtic -d- or by -ii-o/a. Common Celtic -t- produces
-d- in Welsh).

>
> Your objection is absolutely valid. It's all too easy to take the
>equation Gwened = Gwynedd for granted. Gwynedd could then be an
>independent derivative of *wen-. As an alternative to your possible
>protoforms I'd like to propose Proto-Brythonic *wenés-o- or *wenés-jo-. I
>think they'd also have developed into Welsh Gwynedd (correct me if I'm
>wrong), and they'd have the advantage of being based on an attested IE
>word (*wen-os/*wen-es-). Piotr
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It is unnecessary to put an "*" before the old Venedot- form for Gwynedd
since it is actually attested in sub-roman inscriptions, e. g. VENEDOTIS
CIVES "citizen of Gwynedd" on one of the Penmachno stones.

Tommy Tyrberg