Re: IE, Uralic, SinoTibetan and incompetent sources

From: Alexander Stolbov
Message: 1191
Date: 2000-01-27

> [John]:
> I know the genetic evidence shows two human movements out of Africa.
> One very early one was kept out of the upper Middle East by the
> presence of the Neanderthaloids. They probably moved along the Arabian
> litorial into India and South East Asia by 90,000 years BP. The
> widespread AN-AustroAsiatic-Daic group, Papuan and Australian languages
> probably all come from this family, but separated so long ago that they
> show no connections today. Then 40,000 years ago the Aurignancian (and
> later the Gravetian) cultural people, moving from the Middle East into
> Ice Age Eurasia carried the Nostratic languages out of Africa.

"40,000 years ago" and "Nostratic languages" are hardly compatible things, are
not they?

>
> On genetic grounds, these two waves seem to have more in common with
> the Capoid/Cushitic group rather than the Pigmoid, West African
> Niger-Kordofanian or the Nilo-Saharan. On genetic grounds these seem
> to have separated from the human genome earlier than either of the
> other two waves.

Very interesting. Is it possible to present these views as the following scheme
of genetical types (only divergence - the mixed types are ignored here)?

Homo sapiens sapiens
/ \
Proto-Pigmoid Proto-Capoid
/ \ / \
\
Negroid Pigmoid Capoid \ "Proto-Austroloid"
/ \ "Proto-Mongoloid"
"West African" \ / \
"East African" Americanoid "Asiatic Mongoloid"

"West African" (or "Congoid") should correspond to Niger-Kordofanian speakers
"East African" (or "Niloid"?) - to Nilo-Saharan speakers
"Asiatic Mongoloids" - Sino-Tibetic+Na-Dene+Kets ("first Dene-Caucasians"?)
Austric superfamily speakers should be an early mixture of Austroloids and
Mongoloids.
BUT:
Early Nostratic (and Japhetic ?) Europeoids hardly can be associated with
"Proto-Mongoloids". AFAIK Europeoids are genetically closer to Negroids than to
Mongoloids. And what to do with the pre-Nostratic population of Europe
(Cro-Magnon type)?

Maybe 2 more branches should be added to Proto-Pigmoid stem - Europeoid and
Cro-Magnon? Or the latter is rather the 3rd stem of H. sapiens sapiens?

Alexander