Odp: Carniola et al.

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 1058
Date: 2000-01-22

 
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From: Maximilian Hartmuth
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 4:05 AM
Subject: [cybalist] Carniola et al.

 
Maximilian says:
I must  admit, i didn`t quite get the point why there has to be found an
english alternative to "Slovene".

By the way, i think "carniolan" is a rather doubtful designation to use,
since Carniola is less than half of today`s Slovenia.

Secondly, why i wouldn`t find the designation "carniolian" appropriate, is
that it is already used for a specific dialect of slovenian spoken in this
region, in fact 2: Lower Carniolian, Upper Carniolian. And these are just 2
of the 15 dialects of Slovene. (But i`m not sure about the number, please
correct me if necessary)
 
We were not discussing Carniolan as a possible alternative to Sloven~e, ~ian, but only commenting on Mark's romantic reference to Carniola. I'm aware of some seven or eight major groups of Slovene dialects (including Upper and Lower Carniolan) spoken in Slovenia and the adjacent parts of Austria and Italy, but Simona would be more competent in this matter. Lower Carniolan is the historical basis of literary Slovene, isn't it, Simona?
 

Which are those 3 historical parts of Slovenia, what do you mean ? Carniola
is the only historical part that is fully present in Slovenia. The rest is
made up of 1) lower styria (not equal to southern-styria) 2) Eastern Part
of historical Gorizia 3) A little of northern Istria 4)
Murska-Sobota-Region (pre-1918 hungary) 5) Region around Triest (1918-1954
to Italy) 6) Some Parts of southern Carinthia.

So, there`s at least 6 historical parts: Carniola, Styria, Carinthia,
Triest, Gorizia, Istria. (but only one completely incorporated into
Slovenia)
 
I was thinking of the first three, and also in ethno-historical, not political terms. Sorry for simplifying a complex and locally sensitive issue. BTW -- I think both Carniola and Carinthia (as well as the Carnic Alps) took their names from the same Celtic group -- the Carni. Do you know anything about that, Simona and Maximilian?
 
Best regards,
 
Piotr