Re: joatsimeo-Loan Words

Subject: [cybalist] Re: joatsimeo-Loan Words

> In a message dated 12/15/99 3:21:58 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> JoatSimeon@... writes:
>
> >Another situation: IF THE LOAN WORD IS CONVERTED IN THE EXPECTED
> FASHION WHEN IT IS FIRST INTRODUCED. >>
>
>
> -- this generally doesn't happen. >>

===hhhhmmm, something of a non sequitur here, one is first told what
happens to be told next it don't happpen that way,??hhhhmmmm Does this mean
when it don't fit recipients' expextancies and enough recipients concur,
it's nonsense or something?

>
> -- I should have been more specific. Take an English word like "night"
>
> These days, we pronounce it "nite". Back three or four centuries, it was
> pronounced as 'n-ig-cht', roughly the way some conservative dialects

(Lowland

> Scots, Lallans) did until quite recently.

=== more like current Dutch 'Knecht'. Happened sometime soon afer Blake.
Sounds rather like the upper class, lower class dropping and adding of
aitches. Not often considered as a defensive tactic to whomever turns out
the be the "enemy"; More a case of politics than Reason, wot?:

> But if a loan-word with a sound like the original "night" were introduced
> _now_, it would not go through the same process; that sound-shift is over.
> (Eg., the pronunciation of a German loan-word like volkerwanderung.)

=== no, agreed, because there's something more than naive sound shifts
entailed.

> Accent does affect loan-words, but only when the sound the loan-word

contains

> is no longer present in the recipient language at all.
>
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