[tied], Re:, Tell me an ancient word for Steppe...Finally

What is your source for this Anatolian term? I know Cyril Babarev
cites it in his online Luwian glossary, but again I don't know on
what authority. The normal Hittite term for "land, country" is <utne>.


Piotr

--- In cybalist@..., "Joseph S Crary" <pva@...> wrote:
>
>
> Glen
>
> you just cant get what you want
> but you find
> somethimes
> you just might get what you need
>
> along these lines...
>
> truly your theory
> as with your enthusiasm has merit
> with that all said
> it appears to need still more work
> don't give up on it
> better yet don't fear changing it
> when needed as well
>
> I have been told the same thing
> by experts time without end
> and in no-uncertain terms
>
> And...
>
> this of course brings me to...
>
> The Cimmeri, Kimmer, Cimbri, Himmer, and Cambri
> thingie
>
> a topic tas'gone, round n'round, here about
>
> I've been told that it is impossible for there to have been a early
> form of this word that looks like either Cimbri or Kimmeri, means
the
> land, country, or nation. Alas I've found the Luwian word --immari,
> meaning a field, or steppe. Then there is the Hittite word --
gimmara-
> and --kimmara, defined as meaning, the land, country, and nation.
> You may notice the similarity of gimmerara to the Assyrian name for
> the Kimmer/Cimmeri-called Gimirrai.
>
>
> C Gwinn wrote this about Cimmeri/Kimmeri earlier this year
>
> --it would appear in Common Celtic as *comrogos/*comrogi (because
> Gaulish/Brittonic brog- was mrog- in earlier Common Celtic period),
> which would then later become Gaulish and Brittonic
> *cobrogos/*cobrogi and ultimately lead to Welsh Cyfry.--
>
> These similar looking Anatolic words sport the same meanings.
> Now is there appears a solid connection between the Luwian immara
and
> Hittie kimmara, with the Hellenic rendering kimmerion, Latin
Cimbrae,
> and later Celt forms? It seems so to me.
>
> Interestingly, it would make sense that the word appears in
Anatolic
> and proto- or whats often called Common Celt as the split between
> these two groups and the main post-Anatolic group may have occurred
> around the same time (around 2300-1800 BC). Apparently, this
> primitive term for the steppe was retained in the southern Ukraine
> for a long time, possibly to be adopted as a reference for a
> political grouping.
>
> Still...
>
> Glen I found this while looking for information about
>
> ...the Etruscans
>
>
>
> JS Crary