Re: [tied] Neptune, Poseidon, Danu, etc.

--- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:

> I see in Poseidon the following traits:
>
> 1) PIE "Son of Waters" - ruler of Underground waters
> 2) PIE "Wind God" - violent, linked to horses cf. Vayu (with horse

symbolism

> transferred to Vivasvat), Boreas, Thorr
> 3) Mediterranean "Wind God", cf. Typhon, Seth
> 4) "Pelasgian" Serpent-God, Great Goddess' consort, casted below cf.
> Ophioneus, Kekrops, Erikhthon, Hephaistos (some traits), Serpent of

Eden

> 5) Male Animal-Man, Mother Goddess' serpent cf. Shiva, Cernunnos,

Dagda,

> Dionysos, Hermes, Osiris (?)
> 6) (guess) Male consort (or brother) of PIE earth-Goddess cf.

Lithuanian

> Zemes Patis, ON Fjoergunn, Tellumus

All in all I agree.

1: I agree, but is this necessarily just PIE? Sumerian Lord of
Underground waters Enki is pretty old,
2: So a grafting on of an IE deity to a non-IE or at least different
IE Lord of Waters perhaps?
3:Hmm...I'll get back to you on that one.
4:Enki was sometimes depicted as a serpent, other times as a fish. He
seemed to be at the head of the Sumerian pantheon at one point(In my
opinion, anyway). Heads of the pantheon are often consorts of the
goddess and often have serpent attributes.
I am interested in the Hephaistos comparison-What traits do you see
in common?
5. The consort of the goddess is often a Lord of the Wilderness
figure such as this. I definetly think there are reasons to connect
Poseidon to this archetype/role as well. I wonder if this reflects an
earlier role he played in old Mediterranean/Near Eastern myth?
6.Hmmm. I will have to get back to you on that one too.

Mr. Caws

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> From: S.Kalyanaraman <kalyan97@...>
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Neptune, Poseidon, Danu, etc.
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> > --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:>
> > Archaic versions of Poseidon's name include uncontracted
> > <poseidao:n>, <poteidawo:n>, <poti:dao:n> and the like.
> > >
> > > My own view, BTW, is that the "PIE word" in question, insofar

as it

> > is reconstructable at all, is *d(a)h2nu-s ('[big] river'?) with

the

> > adjectival derivative *dah2neu-jo-s. I'm rather sceptical of

deriving

> > too much from it.
> >
> > Pardon me if I go over ground already covered. I will cite the
> > Sanskrit lexemes and tradition of India which gives two distinct
> > streams of semantics related to danu, da_nu.
> >
> > One is clearly relatable to (big) river if the following lexeme is
> > relevant: da_nu = a fluid, drop, dew (Sanskrit).
> >
> > In the context of da_nava in opposition to deva, here are some
> > cognate lexical entries, again from Sanskrit:
> >
> > da_nu = victor, conqueror, valiant; a class of demons
> >
> > danu = daughter of Daks.a, mother of da_nava-s. danu is also the

name

> > of a son of s'ri_ (also called da_nava, originally very handsome,

but

> > changed into a monster by Indra for having offended him.
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