From: Richard Wordingham
Message: 6979
Date: 2011-06-26
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:11:43 -0400, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@...> wrote:Sounds like Yahoo assuming text is Windows-1252 and destructively straightening the quotes.
> Uh-oh. I18n is still quite unfinished. (One correspondent, until recently,
> asked for ASCII only in e-mail. Mojibake is not totally restricted to
> Japanese, either.)* I just posted a long semi-tutorial to another
> Yahoogroup with specimens of both [Iranian] and [Arabian] numerals. Lord
> only know how they will become mangled. Subscribers to that list might
> well have ancient mail software, as well, or lack fonts. (Late thought:
> The way is now clear for Unicode in URLs. I hope not, but we might be in
> for a real mess, not to ignore creative fraud.)
> *Years ago, I was discussing i18n in a mailing list. Somebody had used
> Microsoft "smart quotes", and UTF-8 (I guess) had created brief mojibake
> out of them.
> I use Gucharmap (not by choice, but afaik it's the only comprehensiveThey seem to work fine using LibreOffice (recently forked from OpenOffice by distrusters of Oracle) and Firefox. Incidentally LibreOffice (and so I presume OpenOffice) can insert any character you have in some font - unlike the Windows XP character map, which only accepted characters it thought were in Unicode.
> Unicode-access application (GNOME) in openSUSE.)
> I was able to transcribe the [Arabic] digits without trouble, but the
> [Iranian] digits invoked the BiDi algorithm (! Arrgghh!)
> When I copied them [en bloc](?) into the message text, their order was
> reversed!
> I'm not guessing where/why BiDi popped upSee above for bizarre effects. I hope the BiDi rules can be made more comprehensible - the current wording seems Byzantine.
> when trying to transcribe the [Iranian] numerals. Surely, when only
> numerals are involved, it seems to me that to invoke RtoL behavior is
> simply wrong.