Re: Generalizations about English spelling

Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> At it again, "Barry"?

Yeah, if you send single sentence opinions unsupported by any facts
known to the rest of us, on a topic that may be of interest, I will
always call you out on it.

I figure I am doing you and us a favor. I suspect you know something, or
at least have put some thought into the matter, before arriving at your
conclusion.

I am certain you know that basic rhetoric and how to present a clearly
reasoned argument arriving at a conclusion. If you don't, then please
let us know, and accept my apologies for assuming otherwise.

But if you do (and like I said, I believe you do), then why spit out
single sentence conclusions without any supporting argument and expect
us to attach much significance to your conclusion?

>
> Years ago, Upward sent me unsolicited his Simplified Spelling Society's
> book, insisted on maintaining an email correspondence, and refused to
> accept the basic facts about the history of and justifications for
> English spelling.

OK, that is at least something. Probably not the best you can do, but it
at least gives us something to go on. Really, do you expect that we know
what correspondence you have had with him in the past? Are we to infer
that somehow?

What do you mean by "insisted on maintaining an email correspondence"?
You mean he sought you out for your opinion and then would not let you
leave for a period of time despite your repeated objections that you
wished to end the matter? How long/how many cycles was that? Again, it
helps us to understand your conclusion if you present more supporting
information.

Similarly, what are the basic facts and history that he refused to
accept and how did he express it? Has he since incorporated some of the
views into his own works or opinions?

Some feasible answers to these questions can certainly justify your
conclusions, but a large enough set of alternative answers, plus your
own reputation for being quick to attribute negative values to anyone
that isn't thinking along exactly the same lines as you (as demonstrated
in this thread among others), leaves enough ambiguity for the readers
here that we can't simply accept your judgment on upward without more
supporting data.

That was why I asked - to give you a chance to clarify your reasoning.
You may in fact be justified in this opinion of Upward. I don't know and
probably most of the readers here don't know either. this is your chance
to look smart and persuade us to come to your side. It is not as though
Upward is likely to show up and defend himself - this is your game to win!

I look forward to your more reasoned and nuanced discussion of Upward's
work that leads to your conclusion.

Best,

Barry

>
> i18n@... wrote:
> >
> > That may or may not be true, but we have no evidence of it here. Rather,
> > without evidence it sounds like a five year old calling someone names.
> > Yet, I am sure that there is something that caused you to come to a
> > reasoned conclusion instead of actually meaning to deliver a unsupported
> > insult. Could you elaborate on your thought processes on the matter that
> > would be likely to leave those of us with less experience in the
> > specific topic to be able to draw a valid conclusion? What is the reason
> > we should listen to to draw the same conclusion as you? It would be more
> > useful to us!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Barry
> >
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >
> > > Mr. Upward is a spelling reform fanatic and does not listen to reason.
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