Michael Everson wrote:

>
> At 11:32 -0400 2004-05-31, John Cowan wrote:
>
> > > ... In English /Z/ is a rare phoneme, and particularly so in
> >> monosyllables.
> >
> >I don't know what monosyllables have to do with it.
>
> Rouge can't be analyzed as /zj/
>
> > > The author knows only three such words, loge, beige, and
> >> rouge. The odds are against finding contrasts with only three words with
> >> which to work."
> >
> >I will bet there are dialects in which all three of these show /dZ/.
>
> Wentworth's American Dialect dictionary attests [rudZ] in
> northwestern Virginia (Shenandoah Valley). Not the other two though.
> I didn't know the word "loge" myself.

You didn't go to NYC movie palaces in your yout'! Loew's 175th Street
had "Loges," whatever they were. And however you pronounced them.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...