At 10:45 AM 12/13/2003, John Jenkins wrote:

>Nah. I think I dislike the term "logogram" about as much as Peter
>dislikes "ideograph."
>(This is one of the many reasons why Unicode sticks with "ideograph."
>It doesn't favor one nomenclature or another because everybody hates
>it.)

heh.. if that's the case, I think I'll start using "Han-eme"...

Han-graph???

>I'm sure this has been studied. Richard Cook of Berkeley has done some
>studies I know of using the traditional Chinese fancie system of
>indicating pronunciation, and found that the whole process is rather
>circular.

Richard and I've chatted about this before... not all that much
in-depth, since there really is no phonetic derivability for base
graphemes, even though many more Han-graphs are built off of those
base-phonetic-weighted-graphemes...

<fanqie> is, of course, to some degree circular... it was based on
the hope that there's some base knowledge of XYZ characters that were
recognized... *shrug*

-Patrick