On Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:36:12 -0700 "David Russell Watson"
<liberty@...> writes:
> --- In phoNet@yahoogroups.com, "wtsdv" <liberty@p...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
> >
> > > Is it obvious why you group /e/ with /E/ rather than with /I/?
> >
> > I don't understand this. /E/ and /e/ are closer and such a
> > grouping would give /sej/ for 'see' and /sEj/ for 'say'. It
> > would also destroy the front/back parallelism unless you mean
> > to group /o/ with /U/ also. What have I misunderstood?
> I thought some more about this and I think I see what you
> are saying. I can't figure out how to handle all of the phonetic
> symbols in e-mail, nor how to make charts, so I've prepared
> and attached a picture file to answer you. Chart A shows
> what I think is my version of the English sound system and
> some of its rules. B shows your suggested grouping of /e/
> with /I/, and I include a parallel grouping of /o/ with /U/.
> C and D show the two other possible divisions of the rest of
> the system given your suggested division of the upper area.
> E shows the system as I suggest it should be divided.

the first chart has a couple problems:
in most dialects, the first element of the dipthong is the same as the
vowel in 'bet', [E]
the vowel in 'bought' is usually a back vowel... [A] in my dialect, [Q]
in RPish dialects

> David

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