Dear Bryan,
If it is not too much trouble, would you
be able to send me the link as well?
Regards,
Chris
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From: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 18:25:00 +0000
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To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [palistudy] Re:
Pali Endings table by Kogen Mizuno
Hi Jim,
It's
Fahs, A., 1985. Grammatik des Pali.
Leipzig: VEB Verlag Enzyklopädie.
If you can't find a copy, let me know
and I'll send you one via dropbox link;
I have a searchable version. It's in
German, but you don't need to know
German to use it, as it's mainly tables
Best wishes,
Bryan
On Saturday, March 10, 2018, 9:24:07 PM
EST, 'James Anderson'
jimanderson.on@... [palistudy]
<palistudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the additional forms, Could
you give me the title of Fahs book which
I imagine is in German? As for the
tables I plan to post, I decided not to
put them in an email as they may not
display correctly. Probably best to
provide a link to a docx file which is
nearly finished, just need to check over
and add some references and I might want
to expand later on to include
theconjugational paradigms for _bhavati_
based on Sadd I 28-9
Most of the tense-endings that I know
are within the active voice
(parassapada) half for the present,
imperative. optative, aorist and future
and for the rest including the middle
forms I’d have to look them up in the
tables.
Best,
Jim
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Sent: March 9, 2018 8:42 PM
To: 'James Anderson'
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Subject: RE: [palistudy] Re: Pali
Endings table by Kogen Mizuno
Hi Jim,
My copy of Fahs has _abhavā _as a 3rd
pers. aor (I assume _paraismapada_?) and
_ahuvattha _as a middle 3rd person aor.
form. The _-ttha _ending is from Skt.
_-ṣṭa, _a middle ending_._
_babhūvittha _is second and third person
perfect per Sadd., but I've never seen
it used in the canon. In Skt the second
person perfect is _babhūvitha_, so
almost identical.
Looking forward to seeing your tables,
Best wishes,
Bryan
On Thursday, March 8, 2018, 5:43:09 PM
EST, 'James Anderson'
jimanderson.on@... [palistudy]
<palistudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Bryan,
In the Saddanīti, ‘abhavā’ is given as
the aorist (ajjatanī) 3rd sing. middle
form of ‘bhavati’ which doesn’t agree
with Fahs reading. But the imperfect
(hiyyatanī) form ‘abhavattha’ comes very
close to ‘adattha’ (with shortening of ā
before a conjunct).
The perfect (parokkhā) form is given as
‘babhūvittha’. The conjugational
paradigms for all three past tenses for
‘bhavati’ can be found at Sadd I 29.
I’m working on a couple of small tables
of inflections I plan to post to the
group for reference.
With regards,
Jim
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Sent: March 8, 2018 12:52 PM
To: 'James Anderson'
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<palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RE: [palistudy] Re: Pali
Endings table by Kogen Mizuno
Hi Dmytro, Jim,
According to Fahs (p. 286) _adattha _is
third person sing. middle aorist and
therefore means "he gave".
Suyyatha isn't in Fahs, but _suyyati _is
("he/it is heard" page 386), as present
passive (Skt. śrūyate), so _suyyattha_
or_ __sūyattha__ _presumably would then
be the middle form with the same
meaning, if there is such a form. If
aorist, it should take an augment _a-
_per Whitney . In any case, I can't find
either of these latter two forms in the
canon,
Metta, Bryan
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 2:26:53 PM
EST, 'James Anderson'
jimanderson.on@... [palistudy]
<palistudy@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Dear Dmytro,
You wrote:
" -attha 2. aor. 3sg. med.. adattha,
sūyattha
Perhaps it means "was given", "was
heard"? "
According to the table of 96 tense
suffixes given at Kacc 422-430, also
similarly given in the Saddanīti, the
3rd sing. medial ttha affix applies to
two of the three past tenses with the
ajjatanī (aorist) excluded. The ttha
affix is also listed for the active 2nd
person plural for all three past tenses.
I'm not sure how one would differentiate
these three past tenses in an Emglish
translation as the parokkhā and
hiyyatanī tenses are less often used in
Pāli.
I will look further and maybe make a
table for all of the 96 tense affixes. I
happen to be studying the system of
English and German verbs.
Best,
Jim
From: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: March 7, 2018 9:11 AM
To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [palistudy] Re: Pali
Endings table by Kogen Mizuno
Dear Pāli friends,
I have updated
https://dhamma.ru/paali/tables/palisufi.htm
[https://dhamma.ru/paali/tables/palisufi.htm] by including there the
English translations of Pāli forms, made
many years ago in Pāli Collective Yahoo
group.
I would appreciate your help in
correcting the translations. For
example, I have not found in the Pāli
grammar the form:
-attha 2. aor. 3sg. med.. adattha,
sūyattha
Perhaps it means "was given", "was
heard"?
If you have any thoughts on translations
in the table, please contribute them
here or in the
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XD56ESUam7yS26fa0o0rRZ4UXam0HW8riNROZInk3MY/edit?usp=sharing
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XD56ESUam7yS26fa0o0rRZ4UXam0HW8riNROZInk3MY/edit?usp=sharing].
Metta,
Dmytro