Re: Khandhesu....Paramatthajotika

From: Bryan Levman
Message: 4824
Date: 2016-10-20

Dear Robert,

I am translating upacāro as "metaphor" which is the meaning it seems to have in this context. For reference see MW sv upacāra and Bhikkhu Ñāṇamoli's Pali-English  Glossary of Buddhist Technical Terms (ed. by Bhikkhu Bodhi), page 129,

Best wishes,

Bryan





From: "robert kirk rjkjp1@... [palistudy]" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
To: "palistudy@yahoogroups.com" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>; "palistudy@yahoogroups.com" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] Khandhesu....Paramatthajotika

 

hi
where does it say "metaphor"
robert

 
Hi Rahula,

Your translation is good. The Burmese punctuates  khaṇe kaṇe as modifying the second part of the sentence, but it changes the meaning very little. The whole sentence reads:

paramatthato ca "khandhesu jāyamānesu jīyamānesu mīyamānesu ca khaṇe khaṇe tvaṃ bhikkhu jāyase ca jīyase ca mīyase cā”ti vadatā bhagavatā tesu sattesu khandhopacāro siddhoti dassito evāti veditabbo.Pj 1, 78.


From an ultimate point of view, it should be known that the Bhagavan has demonstrated that, "The metaphor of the aggregates has been established in regard to these beings" when he said, "While the aggregates are born, decay and die, monks, you are born, decay and die."
I haven't found the quote anywhere.If anyone has seen it please let us know the source,

Best wishes,

Bryan



From: "Rahula rahula_80@... [palistudy]" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:58 AM
Subject: [palistudy] Khandhesu....Paramatthajotika

 
Hi,

How would you translate this text:

Khandhesu jāyamānesu jīyamānesu mīyamānesu ca khaṇe khaṇe tvaṃ bhikkhu jāyase ca jīyase ca mīyase cā

Draft translation:

As the aggregates arises, decay and passes away moment to moment, you, bhikkhu, are born, aged and die.

Thanks,
Rahula






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