From: Nyanatusita
Message: 4773
Date: 2016-09-24
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Ps IV 148:
Kasiṇapharaṇaṃ nāma lokadhātusahasse
kasiṇapattharaṇaṃ.
Paṭis-a II
450: Tattha pathavīkasiṇan ti
pathavīmaṇḍalaṃ nissāya uppāditaṃ paṭibhāganimittasaṅkhātaṃ
sakalapharaṇavasena
pathavīkasiṇaṃ:
Paṭis-a I
80: Kasiṇan-ti sakalapharaṇavasena
kasiṇamaṇḍalampi …
Vism-mht:
Sakalapharaṇavasenāti niravasesapharaṇavasena
Sv 1047: …
sakalaṭṭhena kasiṇāni. … Appamāṇanti
idaṃ tassa pharaṇaappamāṇavasena vuttaṃ. Tañhi cetasā
pharanto sakalameva
pharati, na ayamassa ādi, idaṃ majjhan-ti pamāṇaṃ gaṇhātī
ti.
Visuddhimagga Ch. 5 § 49: Sabbāneva uddhaṃ
adho tiriyaṃ advayaṃ appamāṇanti imaṃ pabhedaṃ labhanti.
Vuttañhetaṃ ‘‘pathavīkasiṇameko
sañjānāti. Uddhamadhotiriyaṃ advayamappamāṇa’’ntiādi.Tattha
uddhanti
uparigaganatalābhimukhaṃ. Adhoti heṭṭhābhūmitalābhimukhaṃ.
Tiriyanti khettamaṇḍalamiva
samantā paricchinditaṃ. Ekacco hi uddhameva kasiṇaṃ
vaḍḍheti, ekacco adho, ekacco
samantato. Tena tena vā kāraṇena evaṃ pasāreti. Ālokamiva
dibbacakkhunā rūpadassanakāmo.
Tena vuttaṃ uddhamadhotiriyanti. Advayanti idaṃ pana ekassa
aññabhāvānupagamanatthaṃ
vuttaṃ. Yathā hi udakaṃ paviṭṭhassa sabbadisāsu udakameva
hoti, na aññaṃ, evameva
pathavīkasiṇaṃ pathavīkasiṇameva hoti, natthi tassa añño
kasiṇasambhedoti. Eseva
nayo sabbattha. Appamāṇanti idaṃ tassa pharaṇaappamāṇavasena
vuttaṃ. Tañhi
cetasā pharanto sakalameva pharati. Na ayamassa ādi idaṃ
majjhanti pamāṇaṃ gaṇhātīti..
D III 268:
Pathavīkasiṇameko sañjānāti, uddhaṃ
adho tiriyaṃ advayaṃ appamāṇaṃ.
D I 250:
‘‘So mettāsahagatena cetasā ekaṃ disaṃ
pharitvā viharati. Tathā dutiyaṃ. Tathā tatiyaṃ. Tathā
catutthaṃ. Iti
uddhamadho tiriyaṃ sabbadhi sabbattatāya sabbāvantaṃ lokaṃ
mettāsahagatena
cetasā vipulena mahaggatena appamāṇena averena abyāpajjena
pharitvā viharati.
Sn verse
150: Mettañca sabbalokasmiṃ,
mānasaṃ bhāvaye
aparimāṇaṃ; Uddhaṃ adho ca tiriyañca, asambādhaṃ
averamasapattaṃ.
Thanks Jim,
It was good to get some clarification on what nimitta and kasiṇa mean, from Dmytro and Ven. Nyanatusita. I assume kasiṇa comes from Skt. kṛtsna ("all, whole, entire"), as that seems to be the object of the meditation exercise, to enlarge the paṭibhāganimitta until if fills one's entire body (perhaps the entire universe, like the brahmavihāra meditations?).
Thanks for telling us of your expierence with kasiṇas. I think I would need some instruction on it before undertaking it myself (although ānāpana is a form of the air kasiṇa as Dmytro and Ven. Nyanatusita have pointed out),
Best wishes,
bryan
From: "'Jim Anderson' jimanderson.on@... [palistudy]" <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
To: Pali Study Group <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] Nimitta
Dear Bryan,
You wrote:
<< My understanding is that anything to do with Pali is an appropriate
subject for the Pali group, including (and especially) the meaning of key
Buddhist terms like kasiṇa. The group monitor can perhaps comment on that
point, as obviously I don't want to burden the group with irrelevant
questions. >>
Here's my comment:
I have no objection to the topic of the nimittas and kasiṇas. And as you
say, as long as it is related to Pāḷi and. I would add, no one's
complaining.
To add to the discussion:
In the early 80s, I attended a two week teacher-led meditation retreat on 5
of the 10 kasiṇas, i.e., starting with the earth element, water, fire, air
and ending with space. We each prepared our own kasiṇa devices. It was a
good retreat. About a decade later at the same centre I spent a couple of
days working with the light kasiṇa and can still remember seeing the dining
area radiating a clear light. But, of course, all this is very introductory
and getting a taste of this kind of work.
Best,
Jim