Re: Interrogative pronoun at end of sentence

From: Nyanatusita
Message: 4204
Date: 2015-02-03

Dear Lance,


But we don't have examples of this usage from the Pali commentaries,
only for the ṭīkā period onwards.


Yes. The tikas were written much later. Possibly there are similar catechisms for young students in Brahmanical works.


On the placing of words at the beginning of the sentence in order to
emphasize them, see: Bodhiprasiddhinand, P. (2003). /Word order in early
Pāli prose texts/, Oxford. D.Phil.


This has not been published.


As I read the Majjhimanikāya with students, I find many examples of this
practice. In this particular case, the numbers are being deliberately
emphasized; so the usage is completely appropriate.


This makes sense. I read that Latin poets also did this since in Latin too the case endings of words determine the relation of words to the others. In English emphasising in this manner is more difficult because of the absence of case endings.

One could also
punctuate differently as Petra suggested, but I do not feel comfortable
with a sentence consisting of ekaṃ nāma only.


Yes, it feels odd.

Best wishes,
                           Bh Nt


Lance

> Dear Lance,
>
> The Khuddakapatha is a short chanting book for young boy novice monks
> since it contains the ten precepts for novices, and the 32 parts of
> the body. As far as I know, it fell out of use long ago and has been
> superseded by the Catubhanavara chanting book. Chanting books are made
> out of materials taken from other sources. In the case of the
> Kumarapanha (and also the Nidhikanda Sutta) this other source is not
> known since the Kumarapanha as a whole is not found anywhere else in
> the Nikayas.
> The Kumarapanha is a catechism for boy monks and perhaps was compiled
> by a teacher of novices, although in the commentaries it is said that
> the Buddha taught it to Sopaka. As it is given in the Khuddakapatha,
> it does not claim to be the word of the Buddha since it is not
> introduced by “evam me sutam”. Possibly it was put in its present form
> in Sri Lanka or South India in the early commentarial period when
> Sanskrit influence became greater. This could explain why /kim /is
> placed in this manner, similar to usages in Pali commentaries, and why
> it is said in the Khuddakapatha commentary that the Sinhalese use
> /kiha /instead of /kim/.
>
> /Kim /is frequently put after quotations of words in the
> /Moggallanavyakarana /grammar, e.g. (leaving the CSCD punctuation as
> it is): Puttabhātaro, tatreti kiṃ? Pitupitāmahā, cattheti kiṃ?
> Mātubhātā, vijjāyonisambandhānanti kiṃ? Dātubhattāro.
>
> Best wishes,
> Bhikkhu Nyanatusita
>
>>
>> I would understand this as a case of words being placed first in the
>> sentence for emphasis. This is a usage that Thai scholars have drawn
>> attention to and it seems quite appropriate here.
>>
>> Petra's interesting examples are much later and surely belong to the
>> period of greater Sanskrit influence.
>>
>> Lance Cousins
>>
>> > I have a few questions with regards an unusual type of sentence
>> > construction in Pali.
>> >
>> > In Kumārapañhā section of the Khuddakapāṭhā the interrogative pronoun
>> > /kiṃ/ is placed at the end of a sentences in /Ekaṃ nāma kiṃ? Sabbe
>> > sattā āhāraṭṭhitikā. Dve nāma kiṃ? Nāmañca rūpañca. Tīṇi nāma kiṃ?
>> > Tisso vedanā./ etc. : “What is the one? All beings are sustained by
>> > nutriment. What are the two? Name and matter. …”.
>> >
>>



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