RE: Abhidharma tracts on dependent origination

Bhante,

Yes, like wikipedia, only limit editing to certain people.

Actually, Google Docs works really well for that... You upload your
documents and share the document with the people you want.  You can choose
who gets to view and who gets to edit.  Probably works with Chinese... I've
used it with pali diacritics no problem.

I think it's called Google Drive now, but free and easy to use.  Anyway,
let me know if i can help.

Respectfully,

Yuttadhammo
On Apr 5, 2013 5:31 PM, "Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi" <venbodhi@...>
wrote:

> **
>
>
> Dear Ven. Yuttadhammo,
>
> In the initial stage, I think I can find a few scholars to check my
> translations and fill in the gaps. We'll see later whether a private Wiki
> would work (I wonder what that is, by the way--a few people working
> collaboratively online on a project?).
>
> With metta,
> Bhikkhu Bodhi
>
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> From: palistudy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:palistudy@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [palistudy] Abhidharma tracts on dependent origination
>
> Bhante,
>
> Thank you, it's much appreciated. I'm not a language scholar, but if I can
> help to set up some kind of online repository for the group, I'd be happy
> to. Maybe a private wiki would work?
>
> Anjali,
>
> Yuttadhammo
> On Apr 3, 2013 9:26 AM, "Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi" <venbodhi@...>
> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Dear Ven. Yuttadhammo,
> >
> > I finished a draft translation of the chapter on dependent origination
> > (DO) from the Dharmaskandha-a book of the Sarvastivada Abhidharma
> > Pitaka-and have almost finished a draft translation of the chapter on
> > DO from the *Sariputrabhidharma Sastra (abbrev. SAS), which is
> > generally believed to have been a canonical Abhidharma treatise of the
> > Dharmaguptakas, who flourished in Gandhara. The exegetical principles
> > of both treatises in their treatment of DO closely correspond with the
> > Pali commentaries, though they develop details in quite different
> > ways. These two treatises are much less "Abhidharmic" in flavor than
> > the Visuddhimagga, even less so than the Abhidhamma-bhajaniya of the
> > Vibhanga, chapter 6. They are still attempting to explain the standard
> > formula for DO against the background of the sutras rather than in the
> > light of a distinctly "Abhidhamma system," as both Vibhanga, 6.2 and
> > Visuddhimagga chapter 17 do.
> >
> > Neither treatise applies a full scheme of conditional relations to the
> > links between the factors in the way that the Visuddhimagga does. This
> > is hardly surprising since it seems that when these tracts were
> > written, a full-fledged system of conditions had not yet reached
> > finality. However, In a few paragraphs of its chapter on DO, SAS tries
> > to apply its conditions to dependent origination. SAS uses a scheme of
> > ten conditions, which have counterparts among the twenty-four paccayas
> > of the Patthana system. It might even be maintained that SAS offers us
> > a fossilized version of the Patthana system while it was still in
> > process of formation. For example, SAS has one condition that might be
> > rendered in Pali as janaka-paccaya. This, apparently, was subdivided
> > by the Pali Abhidhammikas into three conditions:
> > sahajaata, purejaata, and pacchajaata (or perhaps four, if
> > anyamanya-paccaya is added), thus adding to the total in the Patthana.
> >
> > As an appendix, I made a draft translation of the SAS section on the
> > ten pratyayas, which is probably the treatise's counterpart to the
> > Paccaya-niddesa of the Patthana. But some of the explanations here
> > strike me as odd, and I don't know how to handle them. I'm not sure
> > whether this is because my understanding of conditionality has been
> > too strongly influenced by the Patthana system or because I simply am
> > not reading the Chinese text correctly. The Chinese translation of the
> > Sariputrabhidharma Sastra, the only one we have, seems to use an
> > almost idiosyncratic style and terminology. Even a few Chinese pundits
> > I questioned about it answered with uncertainty.
> >
> > I still have to line up the different treatments of dependent
> > origination in these tracts and investigate their mutual
> > relationships. The version in the Pali Vibhanga, chapter 6,
> > Suttanta-bhajaniya, seems to be the earliest, the least detailed, and
> > the closest to the Nikayas. But the Vibhanga's chapter 6,
> > Abhidhamma-bhajaniya, seems to be the latest and the furthest removed
> > from the sutras. Here dependent origination is being explored from a
> > different angle, from the unique standpoint of the Theriya Abhidhamma
> > system, whereas the other three (Dharmaskandha, SAS, and Madhyamaka
> > Sastra) are still trying to explore DO as intended in the sutras.
> >
> > I could use the help of someone with more expertise in these works to
> > answer questions and perhaps even check my drafts. If any of the
> > members of this group are acquainted with the style of Chinese used in
> > Abhidharma translations, please let me know. I would also like help
> > with passages in the Prasannapada chapter on dependent origination.
> > This is Candrakirti's commentary to Mula-madhyamika-karikas, chap. 26,
> > but it is in the current of "mainstream Buddhism" and has nothing (or
> > not much) distinctly Mahayanistic about it. I don't want to flood the
> > airwaves of this discussion group with non-Pali queries. Perhaps I can
> > make these files available to interested readers through Dropbox? Or
> > is there a better utility that allows back and forth comments?
> >
> > With metta,
> >
> > Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi
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