Re: vattabbataṃ arah ato

From: Ole Holten Pind
Message: 3382
Date: 2012-06-03

Dear Yuttadhammo
The Genitive is often used to express agency in the canon, not only with
ta-participles, but also with fut.paritcip. in tabba.
Best wishes, Ole Pind

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yuttadhammo" <yuttadhammo@...>
To: <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:24 AM
Subject: [palistudy] vattabbataṃ arahato


> Dear Friends,
>
> Just going through the Milinda commentary, along with Bhikkhu Bodhi's
> translation.  He points out the following problem:
>
> >Bhagavato sabbaṃ kāyakammaṃ ñāṇapubbaṅgamaṃ ñāṇānuparivatti. Sabbaṃ
> vacīkammaṃ ñāṇapubbaṅgamaṃ ñāṇānuparivatti. Sabbaṃ manokammaṃ
> ñāṇapubbaṅgamaṃ ñāṇānuparivatti. Atīte aṃse appaṭihatañāṇadassanaṃ,
> anāgate aṃse appaṭihata ñāṇadassanaṃ, paccuppanne aṃse
> appaṭihatañāṇadassananti, *vattabbataṃ arahato*!
>
> with the following footnote:
>
> >The mention of an arahant here is difficult to account for, unless the
> Sayadaw is referring to Nāgasena, one of the two protagonists in the
> Milindapañha.
>
> I wrote to him, suggesting that it actually should read "vattabbataṃ
> arahati", as is common in the commentaries.  He agreed, but pointed out
> that the Burmese "o" is quite different from "i", and so it is strange
> that there would be such a typo.  Finding the passage in the Thai
> version, it turns out to have "arahato" as well.
>
> I think it's pretty clear that this is not referring to a person, but
> simply the fact of the speech being appropriate.  The question is
> whether there is any way this passage can be understood grammatically if
> we accept the form "arahato".  I suggested that it might mean something
> like "such (iti) [is] (hoti implied) [speech that] (vacanaṃ implied)
> should be said (vattabbataṃ) of the Blessed One (bhagavato), one who is
> worthy (arahato) [of such speech].  Ven. Bodhi was not inclined to
> agree, but expressed interest in dicussing the issue with this list.  He
> accepted my offer to have him invited, so I'll send a request to Jim as
> well.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Yuttadhammo
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



Previous in thread: 3381
Next in thread: 3383
Previous message: 3381
Next message: 3383

Contemporaneous posts     Posts in thread     all posts