Re: Textual criticism of Pali writings

On behalf of others of us who have also benefited from Bryan's significant
question, and the generous responses that it has evoked - for both of which,
many thanks! - could I please make a suggestion and plea?

If respondents to such topics of more general and fundamental significance
to the Pali Study Group in general offer to provide PDF and other kinds of
files to individuals questioners, why not upload those files directly to the
Pali Study Group files at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/palistudy/files/ so that other members of
the group can freely download and use them, too, now and in the future?  It
is easy to create a new folder, provide it with a suitable label, and upload
the files to that folder.  This does require logging in to Yahoo in order to
gain access to the Pali Study Group homepage, but it only takes a moment to
do that...

Please, for the sake of all the members of the group, if you are offering
materials to one member, why not make them available to all?  Much more
efficient than other members having to chase up every such offer
individually in order to request copies, too.

For my part, I have scanned O. H. de A. Wijesekera's _Syntax if the Cases in
the Pāli Nikāyas_ and, as long as it does not infringe any copyright
restrictions (i.e., given that I believe this work is currently out of
print?) I intend to produce a PDF of this extremely useful and interesting
work and upload it to the Pali Study Group files in the near future.  (If
anyone has any objections to my making such a PDF of Wijesekera's work
available to this group, please let me know.  But I can't imagine that
Professor Wijesekera himself would have objected to his efforts being
respectfully shared and benefiting others.)

Hoping that this request will meet with a favourable response, and that some
of the interesting texts mentioned in the recent discussion will become
available in the Pali Study Group files in the near future.

Best wishes,
Khristos Nizamis


2011/4/24 Eugen Ciurtin <eu.s.ciurtin@...>

> Dear Bryan,
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> Thank you for your kind reply. I would like to add the following to
> other helpful suggestions:
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> As far as I know the Thai journal is not available online, you may
> nevertheless check with Dr Alexander Wynne. If necessary I can provide
> a scan.
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> The first SOAS lecture (and passim) in Norman.s A Philological
> Approach to Buddhism, 2nd ed. 2006, and K Crosby.s review in BSR.
> Gleanings from his Collected Papers would be of help, as his largest
> bibliography published recently in the JPTS.
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> O von Hinueber.s articles, as well  as some CPD reviews, repr. in his
> Kleine Schriften (2009).
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> J W de Jong.s dozens of critical reviews in IIJ on pali/sk texts, not
> republished, sometimes with crucial, unsurpassed insights.
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> L Alsdorf.s article on Vess in the 1st volume of WZKS, repr. 1974/2001
> in his KS, and O von Hinueber.s monograph on Entstehung u. Aufbau d.
> Jataka-Sammlung, with several important reviews.
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> Colette Caillat.s forthcoming Opera minora, ed. Nalini Balbir, PTS.
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> Silk.s inaugural lecture for his chair in Leiden, once available on its
> website.
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> As I was able to see the archive of Burnouf in BNF, Paris, and prepare
> an article on his unfinished projects, I would like to postpone a bit
> a more comprehensive reference. See however Akira Yuyama.s 2000
> monograph on the beginnings of philological study of Buddhism.
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> Sorry for being hectic, having now only mobile access due to Easter
> holyday in this part of Europe.
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> Yours,
> Eugen
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> Pe duminică, 24 aprilie 2011, Bryan Levman <bryan.levman@...> a
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> > Thanks for this suggestion; I am not familiar with the article and I will
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> > Best, Bryan
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> > --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Steven Collins <scollins951@...> wrote:
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> > From: Steven Collins <scollins951@...>
> > Subject: Re: [palistudy] Textual criticism of Pali writings
> > To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 7:46 PM
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> > There is also Margaret Cone's article 'caveat lector' in JPTS XXIX 2007.
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> > --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Bryan Levman <bryan.levman@...> wrote:
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> >> From: Bryan Levman <bryan.levman@...>
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> >> Subject: Re: [palistudy] Textual criticism of Pali writings
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> >> To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
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> >> Date: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 1:42 PM
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> >> Dear Eugen,
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> >> Thanks very much for your response and helpful suggestions.
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> >> Of course I am very familiar with Norman and von Hinueber's
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> >> work. Von Hinueber was in Toronto this past weekend at a
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> >> Conference on Buddhist Nuns sponsored by the Numata and I
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> >> discussed some of the problems with him.
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> >> The articles you recommended in the Thai Journal look right
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> >> on topic. I was not able to locate the journal articles on
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> >> the net. Do you know if they're available?
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> >> Do you know where Norman makes the plea for re-editing the
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> >> PTS? I have his complete works here. Also any other
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> >> references you can give for the works of Silk or Burnouf on
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> >> textual criticism would be appreciated. As someone whose
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> >> the earliest recoverable language of Buddhism and the
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> >> process of its transmission) I have long accepted the state
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> >> of our texts as a "given", but it is becoming more and more
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> >> apparent to me, that we can not just leave it at that,
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> >> Warm regards, Bryan
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> >> --- On Sat, 4/23/11, Eugen Ciurtin <eu.s.ciurtin@...>
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> >> From: Eugen Ciurtin <eu.s.ciurtin@...>
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> >> Subject: Re: [palistudy] Textual criticism of Pali
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> >> To: palistudy@yahoogroups.com
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> >> Received: Saturday, April 23, 2011, 12:49 PM
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> >> Dear Bryan,
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> >> To offer a (small indeed) suggestion to your (so broad!)
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> >> of Buddhist Studies*, especially the contributions by
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> >> Nalini Balbir and
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> >> Richard Gombrich, which are among the freshest and as a
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> >> most excellent and up to date. Prof. Balbir's article
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> >> thoughts on this crucial topic, including a more feasible
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> >> critically editing *separate* suttas for which we do have
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> >> variants. As you well know, intense re-reading of Profs K R
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> >> Hinüber's (including on the earliest Mln MS) longlife
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> >> posit this inquiry. But there are indeed joint academic
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> >> 'Zukunftphilologie'. And from this angle your question, and
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> --
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> Dr E. Ciurtin
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