SV: Niggahiita in IPA?
From: Ole Holten Pind
Message: 1838
Date: 2006-05-18
Dear Jim,
Warder's interpretation reflects the Sanskrit phoneticians' description of
the articulation of the socalled retroflex series(vagga). In Sanskrit
jivhopagga (Sanskrit jihvopagra) denotes the part of the tongue next to
(upa) the tip i.e. the underside of the tip of the tongue rolled back in the
muddhan (Sanskrit muurdhan). The term contrasts with jivhagga i.e. the tip
as such that is instrumental in producing the dental series. The Kacc-vann
passage seems very strange and non-standard to me. I shall try to locate it
when have time for it.
Best wishes,
Ole Pind
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Emne: Re: [palistudy] Niggahiita in IPA?
[To the group: I've been busier than usual in the past few days (so much
happening all at once) and have gotten behind in my responses to recent
posts to the group. I will catch up later with replies to Ven. Yuttadhammo,
Justin, and others]
Dear Ven. Dhammanando,
<< For the vagga nasals I have the following:
`n [angma / n with leftward hook at right] ~n [n with leftward hook at left]
.n [n with rightward hook at right] n [n with subscript bridge] m [m] >>
Your proposal of the retroflex nasal symbol for .n would probably be widely
accepted but I wonder if the traditional description of the pronunciation of
the muddhaja consonants can be equated with retroflexes. The articulatory
instrument (kara.na.m) for the .ta-vaggas is given as 'jivhopagga' which
Warder interprets as "the sub-tip of the tongue" (Warder, p.3, fn 4) which
suggests the under suface of the tongue near the tip. But I have come across
a different interpretation in the Kaccaayana-va.n.nanaa (p. 14 Thai ed.)
which states the upper surface (upari tala.m) near the tip of the tongue:
"mukhabbhantaramuddhimuddhi.t.thaana.m. tassaa jivhaaya aggassa samiipa.m
upari tala.m kara.na.m. ta.m jivhopagga.m ti vutta.m."
From this, I think .n would be better represented in IPA as the
alveolar/post-alveolar [n].
Best wishes,
Jim
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