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From: Jim Anderson <jimanderson_on@...>
To: <palistudy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [palistudy] Re: Step by step to using Pali resources
> Dear Amara,
>
> Thank-you very much for the interesting list of the 12 categories of
> aaramma.na-s taken from the footnote of the Thai translation and welcome
> back from Sri Lanka!
>
> I'd be interested in knowing the original source of the list of 12.
Dear Jim,
Thank you Jim, the trip was even better than I had imagined!
About the twelve arammanas, actually I wondered about the source since the
footnote itself didn't refer to one, but we thought that the
translators/editors of this version must have been the ones who added it. I
looked at the introductory message at the front part of the volume and saw
that it was actually signed 'Mahamakut', just one word, not even the
translation/editing team or anything of the like.
Perhaps other experts could refer something another source more complete, I
will also asked others, although one person we asked yesterday even said
it's just the six arammana counted different ways! But then this was the
same person who gave me some wrong information before also and I had to make
a public appology on another list when another lecturer gave me the right
info.
I will also ask KS when I next see her about your question, 'I wonder if is
correct to include pannatti in the following:
12. bahida-arammana [bahiddhaaramma.na] = the cittas, cetasikas, rupas,
nibbana, and pannatti.'
[Although to my mind, it has to be exterior, at least compared to the
thinking and memory of which it is compounded.] I will check with others as
well before next Saturday, but unless their thoughts are different I won't
write about it.
Anyway, the more reason to wish I could read the original Pali! Especially
the Singhala inscriptions in Ceylon, which was everywhere, Jim, including on
the longest single stone 'inscription' in the world, the complete story of a
King Nissamka and his invasion of India, a long altar like stone about 4 ft.
high and about ten times as long [I'll scan a picture for you soon].
Anumodana with your studies,
Amara
> Perhaps it is from the ga.n.thipadaa (sp? a kind of .tiikaa) on the
> Saddhammappakaasinii. I tried searching for the complete list on the CSCD
> but have found nothing so far and don't think I will as the term
> paramatthaaramma.na wasn't found on it either.
>
> I wonder if is correct to include pannatti in the following:
>
> > 12. pahida-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas, rupas, nibbana, and
> > pannatti
>
> I'm taking pahida-arammana to be bahiddhaaramma.na in Pali.
>
> Best wishes,
> Jim
>
> > Dear Jim,
> >
> > I happened to look in just before I left for the foundation this
> > morning, where Khun Kulwilai found the volume you mentioned in the
> > Mahamakut Thai translations, Saddhammapakasini Atthagatha
> > Khuddakanikaya Patisambhidamagga, where the footnote to the mention of
> > the 12 dhammarammana reads:
> >
> > 1. The cittas and cetasikas certainly recieve arammanas. There are
> > twelve types of arammanas:-
> >
> > 1. kamarammanas = the 54 kama-cittas, 52 -cetasikas, and 28
> > -rupas
> > 2. mahaggata-arammanas = the 27 mahaggata cittas, 35 cetasikas
> > 3. nibbana-arammana = nibbana
> > 4. nama-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas and rupas
> > 5. rupa-arammana = the 28 rupas
> > 6. paccupana-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas and rupas
> > 7. atita-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas and rupas
> > 8. kalavimutti-arammana = nibbana, and pannatti
> > 9. pannatty-arammana = atthapannatti and saddapannatti
> > 10. paramattha-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas, rupas and nibbana
> > 11. ajjhatta-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas and rupas
> > 12. pahida-arammana = the cittas, cetasikas, rupas, nibbana, and
> > pannatti
> >
> > I hope this helps,
> >
> > Amara
> >
>
>
>
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