Re: Sarah's list

Dear Jim & friends,

I just located your earlier comments (on dsg) ....seems in all cases jhaayatha
or jhayaati refer to samatha and vipassana practice. I may have jumbled the
quotes below in my cut and paste exercise;-)

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>Would you kindly check for me and give any comments. I
>notice Kom's translation from accessonisight uses
>'Practice jhana, Ananda'!

I know about this translation of 'jhaayatha'. I find that it does not
quite agree with the commentary which includes both samatha and
vipassanaa. That's why I think 'Meditate' is a better translation than
'Practice jhana'.

>> And many special
>> words about meditition, e.g. in the last lines of the last of the
>> Majjhima Nikaya:(approximately) "Meditate now, Ananda, and do not
>> delay, or you will regret it later."
>
>Would someone kindly provide me with the Pali for these last words
>which it may be useful to discuss.

"Jhaayatha, Cunda, maa pamaadattha maa pacchaa vippa.tisaarino
ahuvattha ..." -- M i 46 (near the end of MN 8). Also found at M i 118 (MN
19) with 'bhikkhave' instead of Cunda. I don't think there is any with
Ananda.

Here, the commentary interprets "Meditate" as "Increase samatha and
vipassanaa".

"Samatha~nca vipassana~nca va.d.dhethaa ti vutta.m hoti." --MA ii 195
(there's a bit more just before this)

"Jhaayath',AAnanda, maa pamaadattha maa pacchaa vippa.tisaarino ahuvattha
..." -- M iii 302

With the exception of the name Ananda instead of Cunda, the rest of the line
is exactly the same as at M i 46. I believe the commentarial interpretation
at MA i 195 still holds for this passage. The reason why this did not come
up in my disk search was that I failed to notice the possibility of a vowel
coalescence (sandhi) in jhaayathaananda. I was only looking for jhaayatha
and that is why I only found two instances instead of three.

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>
>  --- Jim Anderson <jimanderson_on@...> wrote: > Dear Sarah,
> > >4. What is the Pali for 'Scholars and Meditators' in ANV1,46? I assume
> > >Meditators is some form of jhayanti (the verb I think)
> >
> > dhammayogaa bhikkhuu & jhaayii bhikkhuu
>
> I'm looking at the Rhys Davids & Stede dict. here....(not quoting)
>
> Jhaayati (vb)- to meditate, contemplate, think upon, brood over, search for ,
> hunt after.....also sugests from (sk- didheti-shine, cinteti - citta)
>
> jhaayana (n)- meditating, practice of meditation (sk-dhyasnyoga)
>
> jhaayin (adj) -(see jhaayati & jhaana) pondering over, intent on: meditative,
> self-concentrated, engaged in jhaana practice
>
> presumably jhaayii is nom pl adj of jhaayin?
>
> Do all these terms always refer to s.o. engaged in jhana practice I wonder?
> Obviously in the Sutta here, jhaayii bhikkhu were developing jhanas &
> vipassana
> . I can't locate for now the earlier ref. in a sutta we had to jhaayati
> (Parinibbana sutta?).
>
> Sarah
>
>


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