Re: Pali terms
From: robertkirkpatrick@...
Message: 292
Date: 2001-08-13
--- In palistudy@..., Sarah <sarahdhhk@...> wrote:
> > 4. What is the Pali for 'Scholars and Meditators' in ANV1,46? I
assume
> Meditators is some form of jhayanti (the verb I think) and would
you kindly
> repeat what can be known about the Pali for the noun as I didn't
keep my notes
> from before.
>
> Many thanks in advance. No hurry!
>
> Sarah
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Dear sarah,
here is an old post I sent to dsg that might be of interest.
>
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I was looking over some of my correspondence with Nina
van Gorkom.
Leornardo wrote "He has
> translated to English the Mahacunda Sutta
> (AN VI.46) about
> the dhamma-practitioners and
> meditation-practitioners. I think this issue is
> really
> an old one :-)
>
>
I had some discussion with Nina (letter in 1992)about
this sutta.
The "monks who are dedicated to Dhamma" is the
translation of the Pali Dhamma-yoga
Interestingly both of these groups of
monks - the Dhamma dedicated and the jhana Bhikkhus
had attained stages of enlightenment. They cannot have
been Arahant though or they would not have disputed.
The last part of the sutta about the Dhamma yoga
bhikkhus (the Thai has: "they are wondrous because
they fully penetrate the deep meaning by panna".
Nina translated part of the comentary:
The ancient commentary "Dhamma yoga Bhikkhus: they are
often (continuosly) with the Dhamma.
Jhana Bhikkus (meditators):they touch the deathless
(amata) element by nama-kaya, (The mental body
i.e.cetasikas)
The Dhammayoga bhikkus (the ones dedicated to Dhamma)
penetrate the deep meaning of the khandas
(aggregates), the dhatus (elements) the ayatanas
(sense fields). They clearly see it by magga-citta
(i.e the citta that experiences nibbana)together with
vipassana panna. But here it should be panna which
penetrates by considering, and also panna on the level
of asking questions and learning" Commentary ends.
End of post
Robert
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