Fwd: Re: [Triplegem] Re: Duration of sasana

--- In Triplegem@..., Ong Teng Kee <ongtkee@...> wrote:
Dear Robert,
I must know first that did you find out sakkapanha
sutta (in verse near the end of sutta)for sakka
rebirth as a human.You must find it from wisdom p.or
complete pts eng version.Online version is missing for
those parts.I like too menti0n com said that anagami
will born in lower world as a human and deva too if
they lost their jhana.see samyutta com .It is not a
must that will naturally born in suddavasa.
  Mahavihara-see visuddhamagga com intro in nyanamoli
version.It is started during devanampiyatisa 307 b.c.
until kutakanatissa 20 B.c.No more arhant story in sri
lanka or india from com anymore after that.
as for that wheel book by myamar as sent by wynn.This
is a good book.It did have anguttara com.first nipata
of adhigamma(attainment)only 1000 years but the tran.
is not complete and without naming the book.Note that
theragatha com do have the same theory that any
fruition is possible for first 1000 years only call
vimuttiyuga.Samadhiyuga ,silayugga.We are in silayuga
now .Follow that ang.com our canon will lost since
buddhist year 3ooo.We are in the period of losing of
patipati(practice )day by day.1000-2000 years was the
period of correct practice but no fruition on that
period.
I like to add buddhaghosupatti(a book)said buddhaghosa
will reborn as chief monk of metteya .It think this is
true and maybe another commentator dhammapala will be
as another chief monk.No reason for an ancient book to
lie.(you should think him as patisambhida arahant if
you like because this is higher than challabhinna)
Study the com properly line by line is more urgent
than anything else for many people in theravada now.

-Teng Kee 


-- robertkirkpatrick@... wrote:
> ---Thanks again, Teng. You're right that I hadn't
> read the
> commentary. What did you think about the article wyn
> posted #1213? it
> doesn't have some of the information you've been
> giving out. 
> I would like to see all the commentaries and tikas
> compared on this
> issue.
> In some ways it is not important. As someone (maybe
> melvin?) said
> whether we attain or not now at the very least we
> are making parami
> and developing wisdom that brings  fruition in the
> future, maybe in a
> deva realm or even in a future sasana. Any moments
> of insight are so
> powerful.
> I do admire that you are prepared to point out
> problems- even when it
> goes against the prevailing opinion- and
> discrepancies that  your
> research shows up. I think the more information the
> better.
> None of what you say should hinder anyone's practice
> as the idea is
> to investigate the present moment, not to sit and
> hope for
> enlightenment. If the conditions are right insight
> will develop. the
> pariyatti (theory)is still intact and so we can
> rejoice and learn and
> develop the practice.
> robert
>
>
>
>  Triplegem@..., Ong Teng Kee <ongtkee@...> wrote:
> > dear Robert,
> > I forgot to mention that most arahant  teachers in
> com
> > was living during 1,2,3 BC,most contemporary with
> > Mahinda.That Myanmar monk already did some
> research on
> > the stories.I think you didn't read the passage i
> am
> > taliking about in anguttara nipata that all
> fruitions
> > are possible only for first 1000 years but not
> beyond
> > that( from Anguttara bhanaka).The part is in
> Anguttara
> > com 8 th nipata was came from Vinaya com.Please
> let me
> > know did you read that part in pali or not.In
> digha
> > com we can only attain sakadagami at this
> 2000-3000
> > years but samyutta com didn't give the fixed time.
> > Amara seemed to make mistake about digha com.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -  -- robertkirkpatrick@... wrote:
> > > --- In Triplegem@..., Ong Teng Kee
> <ongtkee@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear Marlon,
> > > > I like give a view by a Myanmar monk who is
> > > teaching
> > > > in buddhist U. I got this view last year in
> > > Yangon.The
> > > > Buddha in Vinaya pitaka is correct for saying
> the
> > > true
> > > > dhamma will last for 500 years if we put it to
> > > mean
> > > > first 500 years will be arahant only but not
> after
> > > > that. For the next 500 years will be
> > > sakadagami,anagami
> > > > and sotapanna.This theory will be the same
> with
> > > > anguttara com in first nipata which said
> adhigamma
> > > > (attainment )period will only last 1000 years
> but
> > > not
> > > > after that.
> > > > That monk said the 8 garu dhamma  will not
> have
> > > much
> > > > change for the attainment of monks.
> > > >
> > > > _____________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear teng,
> > > This is very interesting. Thanks for letting us
> > > know. It is hard to
> > > reach any conclusion but good to get as many
> details
> > > and sources as
> > > possible. Which buddhist university was it?
> > > But I think there are too many refernces in the
> > > commentaries to
> > > arahants around 500-1000 years after the
> > > parinibbana, (Mahavihara in
> > > sri lanka etc) for this to be right.
> > > Could it be 500 years for arahnats with the
> > > threefold knowledge, 500
> > > for the six abhi~n~nas, 500are
> > > ubhatobhaaga vimutta, and then 500 for
> > > sukkhavipassaka arahant(then
> > > 1000 for anagami, 1000 for sakadagami, 1000 for
> > > sotapanna)?. Then the
> > > commenatry on bothy nipatas of the anguttara
> nikaya
> > > seems to line up.
> > > robert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
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