dear ven. ,
i ordained as a samanera at tusita in Malaysia.
will have very little internet access.

On Sep 7, 2013 2:51 PM, "venkumara" <kumara.bhikkhu@...> wrote:

 

I do agree that such a list would the helpful for beginners. It also makes learning more fun.

Frank, I suggest that you post this on the Pali section of DhammaWheel, and invite others to add to the list.

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Bryan Levman <bryan.levman@...> wrote:
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> Dear Frank,
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> That is a good observation. Murray Emeneau, A Canadian born linguist specializing in south Asian languages, recognized the same phenomenon and wrote about it in
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> M. B. Emeneau, "Onomatopoetics in the Indian Linguistic Area. ", Language, 45 (1969): 274-99. Also Available in Anwar S. Dil,  Language and Linguistic Area (Stanford: Stanford University Press), 250-293.
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> He points out that it is found in Dravidian and Munda languages (indigenous languages of India) as well as Middle Indic (i. e. Indo-Aryan languages of Indo European ancestry, i. e. that came originally from outside of India) languages like Pali. He argues that it is a pan-Indic trait, a feature of the Indian linguistic area (also called "Sprachbund"). On page 269-289 he gives a list of onomatopoetic words found in Dravidian and Indo-Aryan that you can look at. Some Skt. and Pali examples he gives are
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> budbuda, "bubble"
> miṇmiṇa, "speaking indistinctly throught the nose"
> murumurÄ "crackling"
> baḠabaḠai, "laments" (Prakrit)
> gaḠavaḠa "confusion" (Prakrit)
> Skt. gargara >P. gaggara, (“roaring†)
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> Skt. bharabhara > P. babbhara ( “a confused,
> rumbling sound†) ,
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> PÄ li cicciá¹­Ä yati (“hiss†, “fizz†, “sizzle†),
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> to name a few. Prakrit is a form of Middle Indic (of the Indo-Aryan group like Pali).
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> Some dictionaries may mention that a word is believed to be OP, but they are never consistent, because it is a personal thing whether a word sounds OP or not. It would certainly be a valuable contribution to try and compile such a list,
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> Metta, Bryan
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> ________________________________
> From: frank k <fcckuan@...>
> To: pali@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:39:53 PM
> Subject: [Pali] pali onomatopoeia index?
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> Dear Pali friends,
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> As I've been picking up new pali vocabulary, I've noticed possible
> onomatopoeia (words that sound like or suggest what they are). I'll
> abbreviate as OP from here on . Does there exist any compilation of such
> OP's, or do any dictionaries confirm whether a word is an OP?
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> Here are a few words flipping through pali primer that seem like OP:
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> hasati : laughs, "ha!"
> kakaca: saw (noun) makes a sound like "kakaca"
> chindati: cuts ("chin" is a cutting sound)
> patati: falls (i picture the sound of someone falling down the stairs)
> kÄ ka: crow (doesn't a crow make a "kaw" sound?)
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> If such a compilation does not exist, perhaps we can create a wiki page to
> compile suspected OP's?
> Such a list would be very useful for beginners who want to pick up some
> easier words to add to their vocabulary.
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> On a related note, does such a compilation or list exist for pali words
> that are easy to learn due to common indo-european root, for examples
> "pundit" <=>"pandita"?
> "mÄ ta" <=> mamma (mother)?
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> Metta,
> Frank
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