Dear Frank,
Op 12-feb-2013, om 17:23 heeft Frank K het volgende geschreven:

> N: He had killed, but not committed a heinous crime like killing
> > parents or the Buddha. A heinous crime is an impediment. There was
> > not such an imediment.
> >
> >
> F: So trying to deliberately murder a Samma Sambuddha, and failing
> only
> because the Buddha stopped him, is not considered heinous?

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N: Conditions, conditions. We cannot understand all conditions
thoroughly.
We have to consider which factors make akusala kamma a heinous crime,
and thus a hindrance to enlightenment.
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> F: Just a petty
> crime, a misdemeanor, a mere impediment? In my book, when you have the
> intention, have planned it out, carried it out and almost certainly
> would
> have succeeded with that action 99% of the time if not for
> extraordinary
> intervention, the kammic fruit for that is much closer to 99% of full
> kammic fruit than 0%.

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N: I understand your point of view, you are reasoning, you have a
logical view about things.
But kamma and vipaaka is most intricate and only Buddhas can
thoroughly understand it.
What is our understanding compared to the Buddha's omniscience?
The Buddha also knew the kusala and understanding Angulima had
accumulated in former lives. This was never lost and could bear
fruit. When considering kamma and result so many factors also
stemming from past lives have to be taken into consideration. We do
not have the Buddha's wisdom.
I understand that at first sight you find things incomprehensible.
But let us consider things more deeply, not just by logic.
We can never judge the deeds of someone else, who knows his past
accumulations? We also may have killed in former lives, but now: here
we are studying Dhamma. This sutta is also an encouragement that
kusala is never lost, somehow it will bear fruit, inspite of all the
tribulations one may experience.
Angulima was aware and developed understanding of whatever dhamma
appeared at the present moment, even akusala dhamma; he saw that as
just a conditioned reality. Only in that way he could attain
arahatship. So, let us never forget the dhamma appearing right now.
The only way.

Nina.



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