Dear Nina,

>N: Could you please illustrate this with an example? I like to learn

>more about word order, I think it important. Thanks in advance,

> Nina.

 I've been studying the Amba.t.tha sutta so here is the beginning of
it  (DN I, 87)



254 . eva.m me suta.m eka.m samaya.m bhagavaa kosalesu caarika.m
caramaano mahataa bhikkhusa"nghena saddhi.m pa~ncamattehi
bhikkhusatehi yena icchaana"ngala.m naama kosalaana.m
braahma.nagaamo tadavasari. tatra suda.m bhagavaa icchaana"ngale
viharati icchaana"ngalavanasa.n.de.



As you can seen, “me” comes before “suta.m” (the dependent word before
the word that governs it), “caarika.m” comes before “caramaano” (going on
a journey), the phrase “mahataa bhikkhusa"nghena” comes before the
postposition “saddhi.m” on which it is dependent (together with the
bhikkhu sangha), “icchaana"ngala.m” before the word “naama” (a town
named...., but in Paali we say  Icchaanankala by name), “kosalaana.m
braahma.na” before “gaamo” (a brahmin village of the Kosalanas, again,
the descriptives before the main word that governs them, i. e. gaamo,
village), etc.,



Walshe translates this as "Thus have I heard. Once the Lord was
touring Kosala with a large number of monks, some five hundred, and he
came to a Kosalan Brahmin village called Icchaanankala. And he stayed in
the dense jungle of Icchaanankala.



This is an old syntactic principle in Vedic, Pali and both Munda and
Dravidian (two of the other languages that were spoken during the
Buddha's lifetime and also today) that generally, dependent adjectives,
phrases and clauses come before the word on which they depend. Of course the word order can be changed without necessarily changing the meaning (because of the case endings which tend to keep the meaning straight) and when that is done, - i. e. the usual word order changed - it is usually for emphasis. Hope this
helps,



Metta, Bryan




















 

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From: Nina van Gorkom <vangorko@...>
Subject: Re: [Pali] Re: The New Pali Course Part III [46/120]
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Dear Bryan,

Op 3-mei-2011, om 22:37 heeft Bryan Levman het volgende geschreven:



> Thanks for the correction and it does sound better; I agree that

> sena cetasaa probably goes with pasanno (although the more normal

> word order would be sena cetasaa pasanno with the dependent phrase

> before the adjective),

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N: Could you please illustrate this with an example? I like to learn

more about word order, I think it important. Thanks in advance,

Nina.



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