( D: 'But where is it mentioned in the suttas? And if not , don't we have to assume that (at least most of ) the 5 hindrances need to be abolished
before the first Jhana can be accessed?)
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N: As I understand, the jhaanafactors have to be developed to overcome the hindrances and at the moment of access concentration
(upacara) and the moment of attainment (appana) the hindrances cannot arise, they are temporarily suppressed
D: yes, the ' jhaanafactors have to be developed to overcome the hindrances' , but this is meant only in respect to their final abolishment ( a condition of ignorance)
pls compare ( Nyanatiloka : niravana )
'the temporary suspension of the 5 hindrances on entering the first absorption, the stereotype Sutta text (e g. A. IX, 40) runs as follows:
"He has cast away sensuous desire; he dwells with a heart free from sensuous desire; from desire he cleanses his heart."He has cast away ill-will; he dwells with a heart free from ill-will, cherishing love and compassion toward all living beings, he cleanses his heart from ill-will."He has cast away sloth and torpor; he dwells free from sloth and torpor; loving the light, with watchful mind, with clear consciousness, he cleanses his mind from sloth and torpor."He has cast away restlessness and scruples; dwelling with mind undisturbed, with heart full of peace, he cleanses his mind from restlessness and scruples."He has cast away skeptical doubt; dwelling free from doubt, full of confidence in the good, he cleanses his heart from doubt."He has put aside these 5 hindrances, and come to know these paralysing defilements of the mind. And far from sensual impressions, far from unwholesome things, he enters into the first absorption, etc."
The overcoming of these 5 hindrances by the absorptions is, as already pointed out, a merely temporary suspension, called 'overcoming through repression' (vikkhambhana-pahana). They disappear forever on entering the 4 supermundane paths (s. ariyapuggala), i.e. skeptical doubt on reaching Sotapanship; sensuous desire, ill-will and mental worry on reaching Anagamiship; sloth, torpor and restlessness on reaching Arahatship.'
Hence for our practise , we need to cast them away each time before even fopr the first Jhana..
N ( D: I think that the state of (first) Jhana allows to do vipassana , however I.M.H.O. , that means to switch to Satipatthana , i.e. leaving the context of the last path link.)
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The concentration factor of the eightfold Path has as function to focus on the naama or ruupa that appears at the present moment. It arises with sammaadi.t.thi and the other factors
D: we may agree upon that samma samadhi has- as the other 2 factors of the the samadhi path training sequence- the function to develop panna.
Useful to have in mind "the Buddha remained throughout of his career " in heavenly dwelling" (dibbavihara) to where he resorted in order to live a happily here and now. He refered to the 4 jhanas figuratively as a kind of nibbana, called them immidiately visible nibbana." (Henepola Gunaratana )
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