Kind Lady



Your reply is much appreciated. It helped me clarify my understanding of the
problem.



Yes, I understood the general use of the dative with verb with the meaning
of giving and I have only seen this used for giving material things.



As you know the verb in the sentence does not have the *direct* meaning of
giving. If we understand the indirect meaning of "giving the dhamma",
"dhamma" is not a *material* thing, but an abstract noun. So on two grounds
it doesn't seem right to me.



I hope anyone could clarify this more.



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From: Pali@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pali@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nina
van Gorkom
Sent: Wednesday, 2 February 2011 3:59 PM
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pali] NPC Excericse 26 error?





Venerable Dhammadarsa,
Op 30-jan-2011, om 2:49 heeft Dhammadarsa het volgende geschreven:

> English to Pali #20: Buddhena devaana.m manussaana.m ca dhammo
> bhaasiiyati.
>
> It seems a bit strange to me that "to gods and men" is in the
> dative. I
> would have taught talking/speaking/preaching to etc would require
> accusative
> objects, e.g.:
>
> Buddhena deve manusse ca dhammo bhaasiiyati.

--------
N: I was thinking of your question which is a good one, and went to
Ven. Pandita's relational grammar which I admire very much. He posted
this some years ago. (I hope he is reading this and can help us).
He said about dative:< A. Receptive Relation3 (REC)
Here a noun expressing the receiver of something given is related to a
verb expressing the act of giving.
rukkhassa jala.m dadaati =... give water to (the / a) tree.
rukkhassa ---> dadaati (REC)>

I think the devas and men are the receivers.
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with respect,
Nina.

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