Re: how best to translate "panassa"?

Dear Bhante, your explanation is amazing in its unmatched details and
thoughtful, caring accuracy. Thank you, as always, for helping to
spread the Dhamma, for opening my eyes, with your many gifts. With
abiding appreciation, Larry

On 1/25/2011 10:52 AM, sakyaputtiyo wrote:
>
> Dear larry,
> i hope it helps you.
>
> As a verb, 'assa' is either similar to 'hoti' or it is in optative.
>
> E.g. 378 dakkho goghaatako nisinno assa
>
> As either sixth or fourth:
>
> 375. âEUR~Atthi kaayoâEUR^(TM)ti vaa panassa sati paccupa.t.thitaa
> hoti yaavadeva ~naa.namattaaya pa.tissatimattaaya
>
> it is consturcted in this manner:
>
> 375. vaa pana âEUR~atthi (eva) kaayoâEUR^(TM) iti assa sati yaavadeva
> ~naa.namattaaya pa.tissatimattaaya paccupa.t.thitaa hoti.
>
> - Here, 'assa' can be both fourth and sixth. I think it should be
> sixth in this case, as constructed above. It is preferred by most of
> the learned monks. If 'assa' is considered as fourth, then 'sati' will
> be impersonal, nobody's sati. This sounds interesting, closer to
> 'anatta doctrine', and is preferred by many other scholars.
> - assa ('bhikkhuno' or 'yogino')sati: again, assa can either be 'that'
> or 'this'.
> - Note that although panassa is a sandhi word, pana actually goes with
> vaa. Many learned monks place 'vaa pana' at the front in the sense of
> 'moreover' or 'besides' 'in addition to...' or 'not only this..but
> also' - in other way, apart from the above mentioned.
>
> - Atthi has different meaning in different contexts. And it can be
> either avyaya or verb. It can mean 'is' or 'exists'. Here, I think it
> is 'is'.
>
> - 'eva' comes from the commentary.
>
> Good luck &
> may you be happy
>


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