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From: Pali@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pali@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Tomlinson
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2010 2:18 AM
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pali] Re: Translating anatta



Hello Peter

I find it difficult to grasp how anyone who has taken refuge, i.e. has Saddha in the Buddha Dhamma, could imagine that "science" has revealed anything not know to the rishis and Buddhas of ages past. It is not, Dhamma - one thing, and science, everything else.

[Dhammadarsa] As Ong Yong Peng pointed out, it is recorded that the Buddha said, he only taught what was necessary to end suffering and there was much more that he didn’t teach, which was not necessary. So, even though I could accept that Buddhas might know everything [though it seems the Buddha only claimed to know the five aggregates completely and without a break] I DO think Dhamma is one thing and science everything else, [but the Buddha may have known both, not just the former]. J Therefore I don’t follow your line of reasoning.

If so then Dhamma is mere quaint ancient proto-Indian ritualised explanation of the unknowable which "Science" the secular moderns world"s New God / Dhamma, can explain ever so much better than a fat brown guy in a funny outfit, too dumb to get in out of the weather.

[Dhammadarsa] I understand the Buddha-Dhamma to be anti-ritual and an explanation of the then unknown, that is the mind, which still seems to be unknown by those seeking such knowledge in a ‘scientific’ [read objective] manner, the psychologists. I understand that the mind must be known subjectively and objectively [internally and externally as it says in the section on Cittaanupassanaa in the Satipa.t.thaana Sutta].

Surely not.
Pete Tomlinson

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From: Ong Yong Peng <palismith@... <mailto:palismith%40gmail.com> >
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 9:13:53 PM
Subject: [Pali] Re: Translating anatta


Dear friends,

please allow me to expand one of the points:

The Buddha's teachings talk about Samsara, existence in a time-space (perhaps higher-dimensional) construct which we call the "world". I had an interesting discussion many years ago with a friend in university about our understanding of the "world", which I summarise as follows:

In the tribal times, the "world" is the tribe, anything else is "unknown", "danger", "death". As the nomadic tribe became territorial and expanded, the concept of "world" expanded too. And slowly, as cultures interacted, and as people and goods moved around, the "world" is no longer a single tribe or nation, but is the Earth as we came to call it.

metta,
Yong Peng.

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com> , Ong Yong Peng wrote:

2. The Buddha's teachings talk about Samsara, existence in a time-space construct which we call the world. I had an interesting discussion many years ago with a friend in university about our understanding of the "world", which I summarise as follows:

In the tribal times, the "world" is the tribe, anything else is "unknown". As the tribe became territorial and expanded, the concept of "world" expanded too. And slowly, as cultures interact, and as people and goods moved around, the "world" is no longer a tribe or a nation, but the Earth.

In our scientific age, Science helps us further the knowledge of "our world", namely, the Solar System, the Milky Way, the Universe, even multiverse.

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