Hi Frank,

Thank you for that. I'll continue to look for the reference.
Mr. Wijeratna also hinted at that by calling it right view with "cankers".

Best Wishes,
Paul

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, frank <fcckuan@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
> Others have already answered most of your question. [M. 117] covers
> the 2 aspects of right and wrong and provides the citation you were
> looking for.
> The part of your question that has not been discussed yet that I find is
> also very interesting is how you interpreted that standard definition of
> wrong view (on the side of aasava) as a supramundane right view. Parts
> of it look like it would fit right in with the heart sutra (from
> mahayana), which goes something like:
>
> In emptiness, there is no form, no feeling, no percption, no formations,
> no consciousness. there is no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body,
> no mind, ...
> no nidanas of dependent origination up to aging and death, no dukkha, no
> cause of dukkha, no cessation of dukkha, no path leading to cessation of
> dukkha, no understanding, no attainment.
> (one could easily see how this fragment fits in...)
> [in emptiness], there is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing
> sacrificed; no fruit or result of good and bad actions; no this world,
> no other world; no mother, no
> father; no beings who are reborn spontaneously; no good and virtuous
> recluses and brahmins in the world who have themselves realized by direct
> knowledge and declare this world and the other world."
>
> -Frank
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/20/2010 6:28 AM, Paul wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, Piya Tan
> > <dharmafarer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > this is the stock passage that define "wrong view".
> >
> > Yes, I've seen it in this context of "wrong view" before but I had
> > thought I had seen it also in the context of "right view", i.e.,
> > "supra-mundane" "right view". In terms of "ultimate truth", for
> > example, mother and father are seen as "social coventions".
> >
> > Thanks and Best Wishes,
> > Paul
> >
> > >
> > > Piya
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Paul <paulocuana@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for a citation, I believe it's from the Majjhima
> > Nikaaya, where
> > > > the following lines are used. It's interesting because it comes up
> > twice,
> > > > once as a sort of sign of one who sees ultimate reality, and again
> > as a
> > > > negative when used by one who is not noble.
> > > >
> > > > I thank you in advance for your generosity.
> > > >
> > > > Paul Cooney
> > > >
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> > fruit or
> > > > result of good and bad actions; no this world, no other world; no
> > mother, no
> > > > father; no beings who are reborn spontaneously; no good and virtuous
> > > > recluses and brahmins in the world who have themselves realized by
> > direct
> > > > knowledge and declare this world and the other world."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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