Hi Paul,
Others have already answered most of your question. [M. 117] covers
the 2 aspects of right and wrong and provides the citation you were
looking for.
The part of your question that has not been discussed yet that I find is
also very interesting is how you interpreted that standard definition of
wrong view (on the side of aasava) as a supramundane right view. Parts
of it look like it would fit right in with the heart sutra (from
mahayana), which goes something like:

In emptiness, there is no form, no feeling, no percption, no formations,
no consciousness. there is no eye, no ear, no nose, no tongue, no body,
no mind, ...
no nidanas of dependent origination up to aging and death, no dukkha, no
cause of dukkha, no cessation of dukkha, no path leading to cessation of
dukkha, no understanding, no attainment.
(one could easily see how this fragment fits in...)
[in emptiness], there is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing
sacrificed; no fruit or result of good and bad actions; no this world,
no other world; no mother, no
father; no beings who are reborn spontaneously; no good and virtuous
recluses and brahmins in the world who have themselves realized by direct
knowledge and declare this world and the other world."

-Frank

On 2/20/2010 6:28 AM, Paul wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Pali%40yahoogroups.com>, Piya Tan
> <dharmafarer@...> wrote:
> >
> > this is the stock passage that define "wrong view".
>
> Yes, I've seen it in this context of "wrong view" before but I had
> thought I had seen it also in the context of "right view", i.e.,
> "supra-mundane" "right view". In terms of "ultimate truth", for
> example, mother and father are seen as "social coventions".
>
> Thanks and Best Wishes,
> Paul
>
> >
> > Piya
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Paul <paulocuana@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm looking for a citation, I believe it's from the Majjhima
> Nikaaya, where
> > > the following lines are used. It's interesting because it comes up
> twice,
> > > once as a sort of sign of one who sees ultimate reality, and again
> as a
> > > negative when used by one who is not noble.
> > >
> > > I thank you in advance for your generosity.
> > >
> > > Paul Cooney
> > >
> > > "There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed; no
> fruit or
> > > result of good and bad actions; no this world, no other world; no
> mother, no
> > > father; no beings who are reborn spontaneously; no good and virtuous
> > > recluses and brahmins in the world who have themselves realized by
> direct
> > > knowledge and declare this world and the other world."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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