--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, Piya Tan <dharmafarer@...> wrote:

>
> this is the stock passage that define "wrong view".

Yes, I've seen it in this context of "wrong view" before but I had thought I had seen it also in the context of "right view", i.e.,
"supra-mundane" "right view". In terms of "ultimate truth", for example, mother and father are seen as "social coventions".

Thanks and Best Wishes,
Paul

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> Piya
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Paul <paulocuana@...> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > I'm looking for a citation, I believe it's from the Majjhima Nikaaya, where
> > the following lines are used. It's interesting because it comes up twice,
> > once as a sort of sign of one who sees ultimate reality, and again as a
> > negative when used by one who is not noble.
> >
> > I thank you in advance for your generosity.
> >
> > Paul Cooney
> >
> > "There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed; no fruit or
> > result of good and bad actions; no this world, no other world; no mother, no
> > father; no beings who are reborn spontaneously; no good and virtuous
> > recluses and brahmins in the world who have themselves realized by direct
> > knowledge and declare this world and the other world."
> >
> >
> >
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